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  1. Zee

    2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

    Found this beauty on YouTube For context, the Leafs began that season 1-11 I was in grade 11 at the time, the abuse I used to take as a Leafs fan in high school. I can't believe I managed to survive this.
  2. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    It was widely speculated in the press that there was a rift between Shanahan and Dubas on the direction of the team. After Dubas was canned, Shanahan phoned the core 4 and assured them they weren't going to be traded.
  3. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    That was a whole lot of nothing
  4. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    And Dubas was ready to make a splash and trade Marner 2 years ago, and wasn't' allowed to. We'll never know if he could have improved the team with that trade, but here we are 2 years later no further ahead.
  5. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    She asked the one question nobody else had the guts to: What exactly did Shanahan do wrong? If his role was truly just “President,” then isn’t it the GM who should be accountable for the roster? You don’t blame the figurehead when the ship hits the iceberg—you blame the captain. But Pelley won’t...
  6. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    Will someone ask why replacing Shanahan makes a difference now? If Treliving oversees the team, shouldn't he be able to shape the roster with or without a president? He said they made great strides under Shanahan - 9 straight playoff years, - so why is moving on from Shanny the right move now...
  7. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    I think all the Dubas haters probably owe him an apology. He never actually got the make the decisions, it was Shanahan overseeing everything the entire time.
  8. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    A real leader in management would have identified the failure of these guys to come through years ago and broken up the core. It's a difficult move but it had to be done, the mix just isn't working.
  9. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    New president and gm
  10. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    I wish. He'll sign an extension with Oilers July 1
  11. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    I don't like the sound of that Pelley statement. Every year they make 1 change and say it's enough. One year was hiring Treliving. The following year giving the captaincy to Matthews. Now this year is changing Shanahan the sole move? "Bring back the core!"
  12. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    I can top that. 89 year old Cliff Fletcher back in the top spot.
  13. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    Oh I can fault him. Ultimately it's on the players to produce but by all accounts it was Shanahan constantly protecting the core 4. Phoning them up in the summer telling them they wouldn't be traded etc. What a failure of management.
  14. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    I'm reliving that draft. I remember the Leafs had the best odds to land McDavid with one ball left and it didn't work out. The NHL probably tried to fix it and messed up lol
  15. Zee

    Leafs announce Shanahan not returning

    2-3 years too late but better than nothing I guess
  16. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    The silence is telling. No Leafs press conference yet almost certainly means multiple firings are in the works. If it were just one guy, they’d have spun it already. Feels like they’re lining up a bigger announcement, my bet is Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
  17. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Finally got around to Chris Johnston’s podcast on the Leafs, he says the front office cuts could be deep. Whatever that ends up meaning, it’s hard to imagine Shanahan surviving this. At minimum, he’s gone. I clipped it for you guys...
  18. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Absolutely. As part of the older crowd, of which I'm firmly a member, I find myself watching fewer and fewer Leafs games each season. Every year, you invest time and hope, thinking this time might be different, only to be let down when it matters most. I understand it's just sports, and in the...
  19. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Many of us saw this exact scenario coming. Keith Pelley rolled out the tired “I just got here” excuse last year, like a CEO walking into a company that’s tanked for 9 straight quarters and saying, “Let’s stay the course.” Come on. Any real leader would’ve walked in and lit a fire. The idea that...
  20. Zee

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Marner’s gone, book it. You don’t shut down all in-season negotiations if you’re serious about staying. That’s not a player preparing for the long haul, that’s a guy prepping for the exit ramp. As for Shanahan, he’s toast too. The optics are brutal. Jerseys being tossed on home ice twice in the...
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