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Carl Gunnarsson

drummond

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I believe this guy deserves his own thread. Carl does not get much attention but in my opinion he is one of the most remarkable Leafs stories this season. Before training camp started many of us here believed that he would be the odd man out. From this point of departure I guess he is one the most pleasant surprises of this young season: Second in icetime, not only perfectly complements Phaneuf but also gives him the freedom to join the offensive rushes. Phaneuf?s productivity is closely connected with Gunnarson?s taking care of the back end. No doubt - at least in my eyes - Carl is best defensive D-men the Leafs have right now.

He is very sound in his own end, he does not make many spectacular outlet passes like Gardiner, however, if he has the puck he hardly does anything stupid. Just as an example he is the only defenseman who has more takeaways than giveaways. He does not throw thunderous hits like Phaneuf but he is tough to play against as his 6?2?? and 200 pounds frame should suggest. He has decent offensive upside and in a kind of Swedish tradition seems to me like a silent leader. He does not talk much but leads by example, gives it 100% (he is no Pilar, though ;D) and in the shadow of Kessel, Lupul, Grabbo, Phaneuf and co. established himself as the most reliable defenseman. You just know exactly what you get, every game on a very consistent basis.

I like this development of his. Last year, after the departure of Kaberle he nicely filled the offensive role but with sudden abundance of offensive minded defensemen on this team I like his ability to adjust to completely different role, which is not always the case with the offensive minded guys. In Carl we might have discovered very reliable and versatile defensemen. I am glad he is here. The best thing is that next week he will be only 25 ears old on very modest contract.
 
Absolutely love what Gunnar is doing for us.  Like you, I really like his versatility.  He seems like a d-man that can adapt to any style, any partner.  If we wanted more offense from him I am sure he could do that.  If we wanted him to be a defensive stalwart I am sure he could excel there too.

He's really been great with Dion and it's no coincidence Dion has played the best hockey he has for the better part of 3 years.

Now if only we could get Schenn going.
 
I'd probably be a little more enthused if not for the fact that 90% of what you're saying about Gunnar here probably could have also been said about Aulie near the end of last season.

Which isn't to say Gunnar isn't playing well, he is, but I wonder if there's something in particular about the situation that masks flaws.
 
I've always been high on Gunnarson and i'm glad to see he's gotten a bigger role this year.  He's so sound defensively, never seems to panic back there.  Even with an opposition forward bearing down on him he makes great plays and seems to get the puck out of danger consistently.  His play has helped Phaneuf's game for sure (and vice versa for that matter, Phaneuf has been great too).  I have 0 complaints about Gunnarson. 
 
Saint Nik said:
I'd probably be a little more enthused if not for the fact that 90% of what you're saying about Gunnar here probably could have also been said about Aulie near the end of last season.

Which isn't to say Gunnar isn't playing well, he is, but I wonder if there's something in particular about the situation that masks flaws.

You're such a glass half empty guy.
 
Saint Nik said:
I'd probably be a little more enthused if not for the fact that 90% of what you're saying about Gunnar here probably could have also been said about Aulie near the end of last season.

Which isn't to say Gunnar isn't playing well, he is, but I wonder if there's something in particular about the situation that masks flaws.

I think Gunnar is better than Aulie ever was last season.
 
And to think...how many fans here were throwing him into trade bait scenarios as early as the beginning of this season. I think he's suddenly become an untouchable.
 
Saint Nik said:
I'd probably be a little more enthused if not for the fact that 90% of what you're saying about Gunnar here probably could have also been said about Aulie near the end of last season.

Which isn't to say Gunnar isn't playing well, he is, but I wonder if there's something in particular about the situation that masks flaws.

The problem is that Aulie played like that for some 20 games, while Gunnar for 3 years.
 
drummond said:
The problem is that Aulie played like that for some 20 games, while Gunnar for 3 years.

That's not really true though. Gunnar didn't have a great season last year and got scratched a bit in the early going, basically filling the role Schenn is now. He picked it up post-Kaberle trade with the team short on NHL calibre defensemen but it is a fairly recent development.
 
Saint Nik said:
drummond said:
The problem is that Aulie played like that for some 20 games, while Gunnar for 3 years.

That's not really true though. Gunnar didn't have a great season last year and got scratched a bit in the early going, basically filling the role Schenn is now. He picked it up post-Kaberle trade with the team short on NHL calibre defensemen but it is a fairly recent development.

He's 24, was good 2 seasons ago and struggled a bit last season, call it the sophomore slump that seems to plague so many 2nd year NHLers. 
 
Zee said:
He's 24, was good 2 seasons ago and struggled a bit last season, call it the sophomore slump that seems to plague so many 2nd year NHLers.

Ok. None of that contradicts what I'm saying though. Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone that he's not good or not playing well.
 
I think you won't know how good Gunnarsson is until you have to play him with someone like Komisarek.  How much of how good Gunnarsson has looked can be attributed to Phanuef?
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
I think you won't know how good Gunnarsson is until you have to play him with someone like Komisarek.  How much of how good Gunnarsson has looked can be attributed to Phanuef?

It goes both ways.
 
Zee said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
I think you won't know how good Gunnarsson is until you have to play him with someone like Komisarek.  How much of how good Gunnarsson has looked can be attributed to Phanuef?

It goes both ways.

Phanuef looked good with Aulie last year as well.  I suppose the same could be said for Gunnarsson and Schenn near the end of last season.  I guess I just have an easier time believing that Phanuef has more of a positive impact on Gunnarsson than Gunnarsson having a postive impact on Phanuef.  Not that Gunnarsson is a detriment to Phanuef, but just that he gets more of the benefit.
 
Saint Nik said:
I'd probably be a little more enthused if not for the fact that 90% of what you're saying about Gunnar here probably could have also been said about Aulie near the end of last season.

Which isn't to say Gunnar isn't playing well, he is, but I wonder if there's something in particular about the situation that masks flaws.

Though it's very early, most of the statistics I've seen, including advanced stats such as Corsi/Fenwick, suggest that Gunnar and Phaneuf have been significantly more successful than Aulie and Phaneuf. 

For example, last year Aulie was massively negative on shot differential when he was on the ice -- amongst the worst on the team.  This year Gunnar is in the upper half and as Wilson put it "Phaneuf is off the charts".  For instance, see here:

http://theleafsnation.com/2011/11/1/leafs-microstats-through-october
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Phanuef looked good with Aulie last year as well.  I suppose the same could be said for Gunnarsson and Schenn near the end of last season.  I guess I just have an easier time believing that Phanuef has more of a positive impact on Gunnarsson than Gunnarsson having a postive impact on Phanuef.  Not that Gunnarsson is a detriment to Phanuef, but just that he gets more of the benefit.

I think that's where I am. I think there's a tendency among Leafs fans to sort of emphasize the guys in the typically unsung roles and go a little overboard in talking about their contributions(see Steckel, Domi, the 3rd line on the 92-93 team and so on) and I think the role Gunnarsson's in right now, where he's with a high flying offensive line-up and a offensively minded partner, is one where he's going to be asked to hang back, look primarily after his own end, make the safe plays and we're going to notice that and laud him accordingly.

But has anyone looked at him this year and really thought "Boy, that Gunnarsson's been a beast on the PK" despite him being #1 on the team in PK time? His +/-(yeah, I know) is behind that of both Liles and Komisarek.

Again, I'm not trying to slag him. He's been good. But, you know, just that. He's been good.
 
princedpw said:
Though it's very early, most of the statistics I've seen, including advanced stats such as Corsi/Fenwick, suggest that Gunnar and Phaneuf have been significantly more successful than Aulie and Phaneuf. 

For example, last year Aulie was massively negative on shot differential when he was on the ice -- amongst the worst on the team.  This year Gunnar is in the upper half and as Wilson put it "Phaneuf is off the charts".  For instance, see here:

http://theleafsnation.com/2011/11/1/leafs-microstats-through-october

You're looking at that same piece of information and seeing where it has Kessel, right?
 

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