GhostofPotvin29
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Derek Stepan signed - 6 years, $6.5M per year
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Stepan has the longer track record but his last 3 seasons are pretty comparable to Kadri's, including both of their best years coming in the lockout-shortened seasons:
44 points in 48 games vs. 44 points in 48 games
57 points in 82 games vs. 50 points in 70 games
55 points in 68 games vs. 39 points in 73 games
Stepan's numbers on the left, Kadri on the right. Obviously, last years numbers are heavily in favour of Stepan. But Stepan's played primarily with Kreider and Nash/St. Louis though, so he obviously has the big advantage there.
If Kadri can get back into the 50-60 point range this coming season then I could see him getting something in this ballpark. He won't eclipse Stepan's cap hit but I can see something like $5.75-6.25M.
44 points in 48 games vs. 44 points in 48 games
57 points in 82 games vs. 50 points in 70 games
55 points in 68 games vs. 39 points in 73 games
Stepan's numbers on the left, Kadri on the right. Obviously, last years numbers are heavily in favour of Stepan. But Stepan's played primarily with Kreider and Nash/St. Louis though, so he obviously has the big advantage there.
If Kadri can get back into the 50-60 point range this coming season then I could see him getting something in this ballpark. He won't eclipse Stepan's cap hit but I can see something like $5.75-6.25M.
Looking at the numbers a little closer Kadri's even-strength production is actually virtually identical to Stepan's over the last 3 seasons. Stepan has 96 points in 198 games, Kadri has 93 points in 199 games. Stepan edges him out slightly in P/60 (2.13 vs. 2.04).
I looked at their powerplay numbers expecting that to be where Stepan has the big advantage (since Kadri isn't on the top PP unit and Stepan is) but those are very close too. Stepan has 37 points to Kadri's 31, with Kadri having the slight edge this time in P/60. It's shorthanded points where Stepan pulls away, having 12 over 3 seasons to Kadri's 1.
I looked at their powerplay numbers expecting that to be where Stepan has the big advantage (since Kadri isn't on the top PP unit and Stepan is) but those are very close too. Stepan has 37 points to Kadri's 31, with Kadri having the slight edge this time in P/60. It's shorthanded points where Stepan pulls away, having 12 over 3 seasons to Kadri's 1.
Nik the Trik said:
I know what you mean. I could see them buying less UFA years and doing something like 5.25x4 maybe.
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CarltonTheBear said:
Even then. I really have my doubts that they'll look at Kadri and look at the team they want in 3-4 years time and figure that a 28 or 29 year old Kadri is going to be a big part of what they want to build.
I really think this next year is essentially an audition for him for other teams.
Nik the Trik said:
If that's true I think it'll be more because of Kadri as a player than Kadri's birth date. I really don't see guys like Kadri and Gardiner as being too old to be a part of the teams long-term future/plan. But if the team is convinced that Marner and Nylander will be the teams top-2 centres in the near future then yeah there really isn't a reason to have Kadri making over $5mil to be the teams 3C.
CarltonTheBear said:
I look as Kadri as sort of an insurance policy for one of the top 2 centre spots in case one of Nylander and Marner are just better at their respective wing spots. I mean worse case, what if both Marner and Nylander are better wingers than centres...what then?
I think its too early to tell how both will be at the centre position. We will all have a better idea on all 3 players in 1 years time.
Frank E
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They need draft picks, and high ones, to get this rebuild moving. Kadri is a guy that can likely return a great pick if he gets his game more together this year. They need those high picks more than they need a 50 point 25 year-old NHL centre right now.
Good player, but I think the timing is off for the Leafs.
Good player, but I think the timing is off for the Leafs.
Frank E said:
The high picks will be provided by the Leafs own picks. Nobody is going to trade a top 10 - 15 pick for Kadri. Simply because the teams that are in that range generally don't need Kadri either. What the Leafs can probably hope for is a late first round pick and a good prospect.
Once the cupboards are brimming with picks, The Leafs can make upgrade trades because they will have assets to move. Their top end talent will have been acquired through the draft, but they can make the trades for players like Sharp, or a Kessel because there will be good prospects in the system that the Leafs can part with.