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Editorial: "Hockey hit ban makes sense"

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Old-timers might grumble ? we can hear Don Cherry gearing up for a rant now ? but the decision to ban bodychecking in Island house leagues is good for players and the game.

The Vancouver Island Amateur Hockey Association league representatives have voted to extend the ban, which had just applied to players under 13.

Now, except for players on rep teams, the top level, checking will be banned all through minor hockey until players graduate at 18.

A ban was inevitable. Researchers have increasingly turned their attention to injuries ? particularly concussions ? in sport. And the evidence is overwhelming that bodychecking in minor hockey substantially increases the number of concussions and the threat of permanent damage to young brains.

University of Alberta professor Martin Mrazik tracked two peewee hockey teams ? 11- and 12-year-olds ? through the 2009-10 season. Ten per cent of the players suffered concussions serious enough that they missed games or practices. A University of Calgary study tracked more than 2,000 peewee players in Alberta, where checking was allowed, and in Quebec, where it was banned.

There were 241 injuries among 1,108 Alberta players, and 78 concussions. In Quebec, with the checking ban, there were only 91 injuries and 23 concussions.

It would be negligent ? both morally and legally ? to allow checking to continue given those statistics.

Concussions, especially, are not just another sports injury. A concussion is a brain injury and the effects, particularly of multiple concussions, can be devastating and lifelong, including memory loss, depression and increased risk of Alzheimer?s.

Not everyone agrees. The vote to ban checking passed 10 to seven.
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Important emphasis: this ban is only for the Vancouver Island Amateur Hockey Association league.

Can't say I'm surprised except by the timing. Didn't expect it to change as quickly as it seems to be progressing. I do believe it is a trend and that trend will lead right up to the NHL eventually - beyond pressures already there now. I'm not saying the NHL will become a hitless league - just that there will be increasing pressure to minimize concussions more than they have. The medical evidence is piling up. Ten to twenty years from now, a guy like Lombardi may have a real problem trying to find a doctor who would clear him to resume his career.

Medically, we know now that concussions are effectively a cumulative brain injury - the more you get in quantity or severity, the worse off you are long term. People are living longer so the brain injury is more likely to show up as the player ages into their later years.

One silver lining might be that if they significantly reduce concussions in the peewee and minor leagues, the players arriving at the NHL level may have a longer concussion wick for their pro careers. In that respect, it may be a positive thing. Whether they can quickly learn to take a hit later in their careers remains to be seen but the positive probably outweighs the negative. That may also apply to other susceptible areas like knees, backs and shoulders.

Having said that, sports like boxing and football have a much more serious problem in the face of that growing medical evidence that is much more substantial and higher risk for multiple concussions in those sports. As long as there is big money, people will continue to play those sports though. I don't know what the answer is for them but I suspect the NHL will probably hunker down behind that rationale for their own survival.
 
Too bad the average Joe working a construction or factory job doesn't have much of an alternative to the inherent hazards in their work. Honestly, I have a hard time getting behind an NHL without hitting but then I'm not their target market.

The silver lining you mention could be a bit two edged though, players that can't quickly adjust might find themselves more susceptible.

Thanks for posting, good food for thought.
 
20 years from now the NHL will look a lot more like European hockey.  And everyone will get used to it.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
20 years from now the NHL will look a lot more like European hockey.  And everyone will get used to it.

And if that's the case I probably won't watch be watching then (if I'm still around).  Euro hockey is about as fun to watch as men's tennis.  :P
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
20 years from now the NHL will look a lot more like European hockey.  And everyone will get used to it.
Minus the fact the ban isn't on rep hockey, a.k.a the kids who have (more of) a shot at making the NHL.

It's on house-league hockey. The one where kids who can't play try to hurt themselves. After 16 the league becomes a joke, and at 19+ it's fighting only, with at least 2(from my experience) a game.
 
Growing up in northern Manitoba, house league has never had hitting, I just thought that was the norm for all house league's, guess not.
 
I have always believed, and continue to believe, that body-checking should be banned until the kid is near the teen years, then taught properly and accordingly.  This way, hopefully, we won't be seeing many more 'head shots', nor cross-checking from behind, nor blindside hits.

I'd say, about time!  (Someone or other has got to start somewhere)!!
 
I remember submitting this idea, because the posts at the benches looked too dangerous. 
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The NHL does very little pro-actively.  The equipment the players wear, the rules, the rink, etc... nothing will change until someone is actually hurt or worst killed.  There's various things that could be changed, but all suggestions fall on deaf ears.  Pacioretty's injury was just waiting to happen.  I think hitting should be banned until the rule for player's equipment is improved.
 
Mine doesn't have the TMLfans logo on it, but this is the one I posted a couple of years ago when we were having this debate.

If this is what the NHL is intending, I think i'll sue.  :P

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Bullfrog, I think you'd have a great chance of winning, had the database not got corrupted and any proof of your submission was erased with it.  :'( >:( :P
 
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MONTREAL - Hockey Canada is seeking to create more options for young players looking to avoid the risks that come with playing in contact leagues.

A growing number of hockey players are seeking non-bodychecking environments, said Paul Carson, the organization's vice-president of hockey development.

He said Hockey Canada wants to accommodate these players as much as possible to prevent them from dropping out of the game.

"If there is a fear of injury, if there is a fear of intimidation, then we need to create an environment where those youngsters feel that they can make a choice to play the game," Carson told The Canadian Press on Friday.

Carson acknowledged that the media attention surrounding Crosby's injury has increased awareness about safety issues in the sport.

But by taking such measures as a zero-tolerance policy on headshots, Hockey Canada is doing its part to make the game safer, he said.

"Organizations like the CHL, the NHL ? they all have their own responsibilities to look at the trends and determine what changes need to occur to create a safer environment for the players.

"Our job is to look at the grassroots level and respond accordingly."

The provincial hockey association, however, is seeking to streamline the instruction peewee players receive in order to introduce them to contact gradually.

"Our ultimate goal is to make the game safer and we think this first step regarding physical contact will help us enormously," Sylvain Lalonde, Hockey Quebec's director general, said in a recent interview.

"The peewee level will be a sort of progression to the next level, where it will be easier to teach the bodycheck."

A central theme running through the hockey summit will be player development and retention...



I say... bravo!











 
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_18767747
NFL players have been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and other memory-related diseases at 19 times the national rate for men aged 30 through 49.

As I mentioned above, boxing & football have a bigger problem. But I believe frightening stats like that will have a trickle down effect on how hockey deals with concussions as time goes on and the medical evidence becomes even more compelling.
 
cw said:
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_18767747
NFL players have been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and other memory-related diseases at 19 times the national rate for men aged 30 through 49.

As I mentioned above, boxing & football have a bigger problem. But I believe frightening stats like that will have a trickle down effect on how hockey deals with concussions as time goes on and the medical evidence becomes even more compelling.

In time, yes.
 
If not hitting ever comes to the NHL, hockey is done. you may as well just put on figure skating.
its not the hitting that is the problem, its the equipment that is the problem.take a look at what they are wearing now compared to 15-20 yrs ago, and you will see why players are getting hurt so often. the equipment is like armour.
 
nutman said:
If not hitting ever comes to the NHL, hockey is done. you may as well just put on figure skating.
its not the hitting that is the problem, its the equipment that is the problem.take a look at what they are wearing now compared to 15-20 yrs ago, and you will see why players are getting hurt so often. the equipment is like armour.

You have a point there.  But, if today's players would wear the equipment of 15-20 years ago, with their hefty size and muscle mass (thanks to advances in training), it's so possible that they may end up to kill each other instead.

Yesterday's players weren't necessarily all on average 6'4", some were 5'6'', even shorter.  Suppose they had been wearing today's equipment with their more 'modest' size (less advanced training techniques back then, also less muscle mass as opposed to today's giants), it's possible that they would or would not have ended up with the 'side-effects' we are seeing today.

In other words, size also plays a very particular role, not just the equipment.
Skating faster than ever, shooting harder than before, hitting with a more physical force than previously seen (and not always legally done), rinks same size non-commensurate with the larger aspects of the game, etc., etc.

One other thing, and this may very well be the most important part of the equation, so to speak... the art of bodychecking.  Notice how back in the '80's  a game I was watching not too long ago (Capitals/Islanders playoff semi-final of 1987), the checking was fierce along the boards, some players weren't even wearing helmets, yet, no one got concussed, nor blind-sided, nor whiplashed, nor whatever.  What a difference.  I know it's only one game, but, to see that, there is a noticeable difference, indeed.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
nutman said:
If not hitting ever comes to the NHL, hockey is done. you may as well just put on figure skating.
its not the hitting that is the problem, its the equipment that is the problem.take a look at what they are wearing now compared to 15-20 yrs ago, and you will see why players are getting hurt so often. the equipment is like armour.

You have a point there.  But, if today's players would wear the equipment of 15-20 years ago, with their hefty size and muscle mass (thanks to advances in training), it's so possible that they may end up to kill each other instead.

Yesterday's players weren't necessarily all on average 6'4", some were 5'6'', even shorter.  Suppose they had been wearing today's equipment with their more 'modest' size (less advanced training techniques back then, also less muscle mass as opposed to today's giants), it's possible that they would or would not have ended up with the 'side-effects' we are seeing today.

In other words, size also plays a very particular role, not just the equipment.
Skating faster than ever, shooting harder than before, hitting with a more physical force than previously seen (and not always legally done), rinks same size non-commensurate with the larger aspects of the game, etc., etc.

One other thing, and this may very well be the most important part of the equation, so to speak... the art of bodychecking.  Notice how back in the '80's  a game I was watching not too long ago (Capitals/Islanders playoff semi-final of 1987), the checking was fierce along the boards, some players weren't even wearing helmets, yet, no one got concussed, nor blind-sided, nor whiplashed, nor whatever.  What a difference.  I know it's only one game, but, to see that, there is a noticeable difference, indeed.

I guess we could say a certen amount of respect is needed in the game, and over the years that has become a lost art.
 
NHL discusses player safety at board meeting
Reggie Fleming, who was 73, and 59-year-old Rick Martin, were other hockey players who were found to have CTE.

Robert Stern, the co-director of the center at BU, said in an email that CTE research is still in its infancy but that all confirmed cases of CTE are in people who have had a history of repetitive brain trauma earlier in their lives.

Stern said many people with a history of repeated brain trauma do not develop CTE and it has not been determined why some people get the disease and others do not.

''We cannot ever draw a line of causality between a specific type of activity and developing the disease,'' Stern said. '''And, specific policies and rule changes should not be made without adequate scientific knowledge to back it up.''

But he said that if repetitive brain trauma even contributes to the development of CTE in some people, it would be appropriate to reduce exposure to brain trauma.


I thought that bolded sentence was an interesting one.

As well, Rick Martin was a scorer - not a fighter (I'm not saying he never fought - I'm not sure but he didn't fight much) who had a history of one known concussion. His autopsy showed he had CTE. In other words, you could take fighting out of the game, minimize concussions and still get CTE.

Meanwhile, from the bolded statement, you could fight and get concussed and not get CTE.

As Stern says (posted again for emphasis) "specific policies and rule changes should not be made without adequate scientific knowledge to back it up."

From that, I think they still have some work to do.

Another article on it:
Fighting back: NHL holds ground on fisticuffs
 
nutman said:
hockeyfan1 said:
nutman said:
If not hitting ever comes to the NHL, hockey is done. you may as well just put on figure skating.
its not the hitting that is the problem, its the equipment that is the problem.take a look at what they are wearing now compared to 15-20 yrs ago, and you will see why players are getting hurt so often. the equipment is like armour.

One other thing, and this may very well be the most important part of the equation, so to speak... the art of bodychecking.  Notice how back in the '80's  a game I was watching not too long ago (Capitals/Islanders playoff semi-final of 1987), the checking was fierce along the boards, some players weren't even wearing helmets, yet, no one got concussed, nor blind-sided, nor whiplashed, nor whatever.  What a difference.  I know it's only one game, but, to see that, there is a noticeable difference, indeed.

I guess we could say a certen amount of respect is needed in the game, and over the years that has become a lost art.

If I could throw my hat into the ring with this.

The style of play and how the game is called has seen a change in how players play as well....an not regarding the respect issue.  It is regarding how the player possessing the puck plays.

My youngest son is extremely frustrated with players who get the puck along the boards and turn their backs to the play 'shielding' the puck.  It is actually a strategy now with some players.  He got thrown out of game because the opponent was at the blueline waiting for his team mates to clear the zone and Caleb went to knock him off the puck.  At the last moment the player turned and Caleb hammered him right in the numbers instead of the team crest.  Fights almost broke out in the stands between his team supporters furious that Caleb hit him so hard 'from behind' and our team supporters who were furious that the player turned at the last minute and got our player thrown out.

Players aren't as careful anymore either.  Look at Letang coming in across the blue line in the trolly tracks and his head down in Montreal.  He gets cranked and the Montreal player gets suspended. Like Max said...Letang had time to protect himself but didn't.  So yeah there isn't the respect but also there are other problems too.

 
The game is also a LOT faster now, with a lot bigger/stronger players.  With the speed of the game, there isn't necessarily enough time to make a decision if the other player does something unexpected.
 

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