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For those that run this board there is a Goodwill Banner Advert at the top of the page recently.  Goodwill has just shut down in Toronto leaving many employees stranded.  They are the only "Charity" where virtually none of the monies are filtered down. they basically are a con organization and should not be represented on these boards.
 
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.
 
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.
 
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.
It's not his opinion that Goodwill recently shut down without giving their workers notice. The people running it ought to be ashamed of themselves.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/charity-case-why-goodwills-failure-in-toronto-was-anything-butsudden/article28359611/

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WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.

This was on the national news here in Canada.  Hardly one persons opinion.
 
Rick said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.

This was on the national news here in Canada.  Hardly one persons opinion.

I've read the articles. It's only the Toronto area locations that were affected. They are a separate entity from the rest of the Province and the only unionized group. The other stores are doing quite well. A new location is scheduled for construction in London. You can't paint the whole organization with the same brush because of Toronto's mess.
 
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.

This was on the national news here in Canada.  Hardly one persons opinion.

I've read the articles. It's only the Toronto area locations that were affected. They are a separate entity from the rest of the Province and the only unionized group. The other stores are doing quite well. A new location is scheduled for construction in London. You can't paint the whole organization with the same brush because of Toronto's mess.

But you can decide you don't like what that organization is doing in your own back yard, and choose to support a different one.
 
LuncheonMeat said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.

This was on the national news here in Canada.  Hardly one persons opinion.

I've read the articles. It's only the Toronto area locations that were affected. They are a separate entity from the rest of the Province and the only unionized group. The other stores are doing quite well. A new location is scheduled for construction in London. You can't paint the whole organization with the same brush because of Toronto's mess.

But you can decide you don't like what that organization is doing in your own back yard, and choose to support a different one.

That's right, but not everyone on this sights backyard is in Toronto.
 
Hey Wayne, are you the CEO of Goodwill?  If you care to do a little research then you will find Goodwill to be the least of "Good Will". Its a complete scam, none of the money goes to the poor and the handicapped workers are totally exploited. The CEO and Executives are stealing off all of us.
If you want to put your money into helping people, forget everything except The Salvation Army where viturally every cent goes to the poor. Even Red Cross only converts about 40 cents on the dollar.

Do a little research Wayne on where your money is going to, even the United Way only gives about 30 Cents on every dollar collected to the people who we are giving the money to.

Read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-hrabe/the-worst-corporation-in-_b_1876905.html
 
my figures on Red Cross where way off and I have donated to them in the past. As the volume of money that R.C receives they still take 9 cents of every dollar collected, this is a massive amount of money.

"Of the sixty some odd "charities" we looked at, the lowest paid (President/C.E.O/Commissioner) was heading up a charity group right here in Canada. We found, believe it or not, it was......

The Salvation Army's Commissioner Todd Bassett receives a salary of only $13,000 per year (plus housing) for managing this $2 Billion dollar organization. Which means about $0.93 per dollar earned, is readily available and goes back out to local charity causes... truly amazing... and well done "Sally Ann".

A little more on BADWILL

Goodwill: A billion-dollar business

Founded in 1902 by a Methodist minister, Goodwill Industries promises as its charitable mission ?to enhance the dignity and quality of life of individuals and families by strengthening communities, eliminating barriers to opportunity, and helping people in need reach their full potential through learning and the power of work.?

Don?t be confused by its charitable mission or nonprofit status. Goodwill Industries is a multi-billion dollar business. In 2012, the nonprofit generated $4.89 billion in total annual revenue.  The bulk of the company?s revenue, $3.53 billion, came from sales at its 2,700 secondhand shops. The nonprofit, which has become synonymous with used-clothing donations, also received $87 million in government grants.

Each Goodwill entity is independently operated. The organizations file separate tax returns and are controlled by an independent board of directors, usually local business and community leaders. That explains why the Watchdog investigation found substantial variation in wages and financial policies throughout the country. To be clear, not every Goodwill organization pays its disabled workers less than the federal minimum wage, or its CEOs top-dollar.

Husband-wife Goodwill team earns $800K

In Durham, N.C., you?ll find a husband and wife executive team earning nearly $800,000 in total compensation, while also utilizing the subminimum wage certificate program.

Goodwill Industries of Eastern North Carolina Inc. President and CEO Dennis McLain received $430,239 in total compensation, while his wife, Linda, received another $365,133 in pay and benefits. The group?s 2011 tax return notes that the couple was also entitled to first-class travel and access to a private club, paid for, in part, with revenue generated from the efforts of disabled workers who were paid less than minimum wage under the special wage certificate program.

?A 2012 audit report shows Goodwill also approved a tax-free retirement housing allowance for the president, $2,500 a month from his retirement until his death, and a retirement medical plan paying up to $9,000 a year,? reported the News Observer?s Josh Shaffer in February.

The News Observer also raised questions about more than a million dollars in charitable funds that the group allegedly spent in sub-Saharan Africa.

?Its 990 federal tax form for 2011 shows $1.36 million spent on ?donations and related costs? to nonprofits outside of North America.? the News Observer first reported. ?But its disclosures to the IRS provide no details about who received this funding. The names of organizations Goodwill sent checks and wire transfers are left blank on the tax documents, labeled only as sub-Saharan Africa, East Asia or South America.?

The North Carolina couple, however, isn?t the highest-paid Goodwill executive team in the country.

Goodwill?s million-dollar man in Los Angeles

In 2011, the highest-paid Goodwill executive in the country was Douglas Barr, then-CEO of Goodwill of Southern California. Barr, who retired in July 2012, received a total compensation package worth $1,188,733, including a base salary of $350,200, bonuses worth $87,550, retirement benefits of $71,050, and $637,864 in other reportable compensation.

?Doug is a leader among Goodwill chief executive officers and inspires others with his commitment to the Goodwill mission,? said Jim Gibbons, president and CEO of Goodwill Industries International in a press release that announced Barr as the recipient of the 2011 Kenneth K. King Award for Management Excellence, the highest honor for a Goodwill executive.

The same year, the organization spent $3.76 million in total compensation for top personnel, $2.5 million in travel-related expenses and $424,997 on conferences, conventions and meetings. To help pay for expenses, the group received $7.47 million in government grants and contributions, according to its most recent tax return filed in October 2012. That was an improvement for taxpayers, who shelled out more than $9 million in government funds to Los Angeles-area Goodwill in 2010.

Around the country, it?s the same story: Goodwill entities accepting government funds and a tax-exempt charitable status while paying subminimum wage to people with disabilities. In 2011, the Goodwill of Southwestern Pennsylvania accepted more than $11.3 million in government grants, which helped offset $929,066 in executive compensation. The same year, Goodwill of Western and Northern Connecticut Inc. accepted $8.1 million in government grants, while paying $1.08 million to executives, including $424,751 to its president and CEO, David H. Turner. The group spent another $732,047 in travel-related expenses.

Goodwill spends fund to lobby for more government funds

In some cases, government funds helped fund lobbying efforts to obtain more government funds. In St. Louis, MERS/Missouri Goodwill accepted $11.99 million in government funds and reinvested $37,800 in lobbying and political expenditures ?for the purpose of identifying opportunities in regards to mission needs and funding,? according to Schedule C, Part II of the group?s tax return.

The organization needed additional funding in 2011 to make up for the more than $1 million, which was embezzled by an assistant vice president for human resources.

?From 2007 through June 2010, Ronald Partee, 45, of St. Louis, used fake bills, invoices, and letters to trick MERS/Missouri Goodwill Industries Inc. employees into send checks to his fake businesses,? the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported in May 2011. Ultimately, Partee received 70 months in prison for his million-dollar embezzlement.

In 2011, executives legally withdrew $1.42 million from the organization in executive compensation.  Lewis Chartock, the president and CEO of MERS Goodwill, was paid $516,645 in total compensation, which included the group covering his spouse?s travel-expenses for organization functions.

Executive perks: Sales performance

Spousal travel is just one of a wide array of Goodwill executive perks that might seem ill-fitting with a public charity. Goodwill Industries of Greater New York & Northern New Jersey Inc., which received $33.4 million in government grants, offered a senior vice-president a complicated incentive pay package structured on sales numbers and linked to the Consumer Price Index. According to Schedule J, Part III of the group?s 2011 tax return,

?For each month David Schoch, senior vice president of the organization, remains employed under the employment contract, Goodwill will pay him a commission equal to one quarter of one percent (25% of the total dollar amount invoiced by Goodwill?s GoodTemps Division for that month, which amount Goodwill will pay to him by the second pay period following the month during which the amounts were invoiced commission paid to him during any fiscal year will be limited to a dollar amount (hereinafter ?CAP?) determined at the start of each new fiscal year. The CAP equaled $49,455 for the fiscal year beginning on July 1, 2007 and will increase each subsequent fiscal year by a percentage equal to the Consumer Price Index (CPI) as published thirty (30) days prior to the first day of that fiscal year.?

Schoch isn?t even the highest paid executive of the Greater New York Goodwill. That honor is bestowed upon William Forrester, president and CEO, who took home $566,138 in total compensation of which $399,289 was base pay.

These performance bonuses are replicated throughout the country and can sometimes result in lower ranking executives earning more than their supervisors. In Denver, local Goodwill President and CEO Jesse Wolff?s $251,321 in total compensation was surpassed by Ric Berninzoni, the group?s then-vice-president of retail operations who earned $295,605 in total compensation.

According to the group?s 2011 tax return, ?Part of the pay structure for certain retail operations personnel and for the Executive Team (President/CEO and Vice Presidents) includes bonuses based on net revenue results. The President/CEO did not receive a bonus in 2011.?  Berninzoni?s compensation for that year also included a $150,000 severance payment.

In some cases, the good times roll on for executives even after they leave the organization. Goodwill Industries of Houston, according to its 2011 tax return,  sponsored ?a deferred compensation plan for Steven P. Lufburrow that provides for monthly benefit of $6,000 payable upon the defined retirement age.? The Houston president and CEO received a total compensation package worth $411,081 and was based on ?an annual incentive performance bonus determined by the compensation committee.?

Goodwill International defends executive pay

Tommy A. Moore Jr., Goodwill Industries International?s board chairman, defends the organization?s executive compensation policies.

When asked to address the more than half-million dollar compensation paid to Goodwill Industries International?s President and CEO Jim Gibbons, Moore said, ?The board goes through a rigorous process to determine his compensation based on the impact of his leadership, strategic goals and performance.?

The CEO?s annual review, however, is less rigorous than the corporation?s review of subminimum wage employees, who are evaluated every six months, or sometimes even more frequently. Turner-Little, the spokesman for Goodwill Industries International Inc., described the ?lengthy? and ?extensive? process.

?Every six months, an individual who is paid under a special wage certificate, their productivity has to be assessed at least every six months. Oftentimes employers will do it more frequently than that, Turner-Little said. ?And all that has to be documented and made available to the Department (of Labor) if they need to see it.?

The employee evaluations are just one component of a lengthy administrative process required by the Department of Labor in order for an organization to maintain its minimum wage exemption.

According to the Goodwill national spokesman: ?In order to receive a Special Minimum Wage Certificate from the Department of Labor, a business has to go through an application process, which is fairly extensive, identifying the types of jobs that the special minimum wage certificate will be applied to, provide evidence of having surveyed local companies to determine what the prevailing wage rate is for the (specified) jobs that are being performed so that accurate computation of the commensurate wage rate can be determined.?

After Goodwill has surveyed at least three companies for comparable wage information data, the organization must evaluate individual employees.

?They have to outline their individual productivity assessment process for the jobs that are going to be paid under the special minimum wage certificate and that has to be done both for service-type jobs as well as piece rate work ? so hand assembly type work, making a product as well as providing a service,? Turner-Little said. ?Then, (they) have to outline what their time-study process is going to be, all of that is contained in the application process.?

Work center certificates, the type Goodwill says it uses, can remain in effect for two years. Then, the process starts again, but not without adding all the previous data to the new Department of Labor application.

?If they have had the certificate in the past, the use of that certificate, the number of employees, the types of jobs that were performed, and provide evidence to the department that they have implemented the certificate in compliance with expected regulations,? Turner-Little said.

Which begs the question, why is Goodwill spending so much time and money on bureaucracy? Remember, Goodwill says the subminimum wage policy helps them save money and hire more workers.

The law is based on two assumptions:

People with disabilities are not as productive as able-bodied individuals.
A commensurate wage tied to the disabled workers productivity increases employment opportunities for the disabled.
The National Federation of the Blind, which has fought for years to change the policy, says  workers with disabilities can be just as productive and valuable as other workers without disabilities.

Of course, people with disabilities aren?t inherently less productive employees. Samuel R. Bagenstos, a professor of law at the University of Michigan Law School and a former deputy attorney general for civil rights, has written ?The Case Against the Section 14(c) Subminimum Wage Program.? He cites examples of how workshop employers automatically assigned jobs ?without any connection to the abilities and background of the individuals.? One college-educated woman with cerebral palsy was paid $3 per week to assemble rubber mats, according to a former federal rehabilitation commissioner cited by Bagenstos.

Double speak at Columbia Willamette Goodwill?

Barnette, the marathoner who has mild quadriplegia, a seizure disorder, cognitive delays and is legally blind, doesn?t let his disabilities affect his job. The nonprofit openly admits that fact. According to an April advertisement posted on YouTube, ?He never lets his disability get in the way of being able to do something.?

?My disability doesn?t really affect me to do a good job,? Barnette says in his own words. ?It doesn?t really affect me at all.?

Barnette?s supervisors, co-workers and even the top Goodwill executive in the country agree.

?He never lets his disability get in the way of being able to do something,? said Cheri Folk, director of workforce development at Goodwill Columbia Willamette.

?My first impression of Jim was that he could do all of the jobs that I offered to him,? said Edith Rojas, one of Barnette?s co-worker and an integration specialist at Goodwill. ?One of his strengths is that he?s really smart. He always goes beyond my expectations, and he tries to reach his goals.?

?You can?t help but be impressed when you meet Jim Barnette,? Goodwill Industries International?s Gibbons said, according to a May 2012 press release. ?Challenges to employment don?t exist in Jim?s world. He demonstrates that meaningful work is something everyone deserves.?

Yet, according to Goodwill Industries International?s website, ?Jim Barnette, Goodwill Industries International?s 2012 Achiever of the Year, receives a commensurate wage through the Special Minimum Wage Certificate.?

When asked about the contradiction, Goodwill Industries of the Columbia Willamette defended its wage policies.

?The people Goodwill Industries of the Columbia Willamette serves under the certificate are not regular employees of Goodwill,? the organization said in a statement released by its general counsel Bob Barsocchini. ?They are not held to any specific productivity standard but they are fully compensated according to their individual ability to produce.?

In 2011, the Columbia Willamette Goodwill, one of the largest in the country, says it paid $922,444 in commensurate wages to approximately 250 people with developmental disabilities. These employees worked 159,584 hours for an average hourly wage of $5.78. The lowest paid worker received just $1.40 per hour.

?Keep in mind, every person working under the special minimum wage certificate either directly, or through their guardians, chooses to do so,? the organization said. ?If 14c is repealed, hundreds of thousands of those individuals will probably lose access to paid work experience.?

The organization?s tax returns contradict Goodwill of the Columbia Willamette?s claims that it can?t afford to pay minimum wage to all its workers.

According to its most recent tax return filed last August, Goodwill Industries of the Columbia Willamette generated a $14 million profit on $118.6 million in annual revenue. The corporation, which has $170 million in net assets, paid its top brass $1.55 million in total compensation.  Just Michael Miller, the president and CEO, collected $742,875 in total compensation.

Asked about its executive compensation, the nonprofit said that it had hired ?Frederic W. Cook & Company, a nationally-recognized compensation consulting firm, to ensure that compensation for the executive team is reasonable.?

However, the Oregon Department of Justice reached the opposite conclusion after a 2004 investigation into the organization?s finances.

?After the 18-month investigation, the Department of Justice concluded that Miller?s pay was ?unreasonable,?? Matthew Kish, a staff reporter with the Portland Business Journal, wrote in 2011.

?Without question, Goodwill of the Columbia Willamette is a financial juggernaut,? Kish reported.

The 2004 investigation by The Oregonian newspaper detailed Miller?s executive compensation and the subminimum wages paid to disabled workers. You might recognize the name of one employee trotted out by Goodwill to defend its policies. ?It?s a challenge that Jim Barnette fully embraces ? that is, when he?s not puzzling over how to hang up a skort, a skirt-shorts hybrid,? reported The Oregonian?s award-winning reporter Jeff Kosseff.

Barnette?s sister, according to The Oregonian, would ?go over his performance numbers? every night at dinner because it was ?one of Jim?s big prides.? Kosseff wrote that the nonprofit defended the policy, which ?precisely compensates them for their work while adding motivation for them to exceed minimum wage.?

In 2012, U.S. Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Florida, introduced H.R. 3086, the Fair Wages Act, to stop the practice, which he called ?deplorable and wrong.? U.S. Rep. Gregg Harper, R-Miss, has reintroduced the measure, HR 831, this session.

?Meaningful work deserves fair pay,? Harper said. ?This dated provision unjustly prohibits workers with disabilities from reaching their full potential. The current federal disability laws are hopelessly outdated and will ultimately lead to unemployment and poverty for these individuals.?

 
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.

This was on the national news here in Canada.  Hardly one persons opinion.

I've read the articles. It's only the Toronto area locations that were affected.

not true. Barrie's is shut down too. And no, we are not considered 'the Toronto area'
 
LittleHockeyFan said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
Rick said:
Great point.  For what it's worth, we don't get paid for those ads - a portion of our ads are for charity.  I'll look into getting them axed from the rotation.

Wow! That was a pretty quick decision based on one persons opinion.

This was on the national news here in Canada.  Hardly one persons opinion.

I've read the articles. It's only the Toronto area locations that were affected.

not true. Barrie's is shut down too. And no, we are not considered 'the Toronto area'

Not being from Toronto I have only paid half attention to it but it seems like they hired someone who is completely incompetent to run the Toronto region.  She was one of the people running the Toronto Housing group into the ground too.

Goodwill in the US has also done some pretty shady things with underpaying the disabled/mentally handicapped and using prisoners on work releases and then firing them when their commitments were up and they would actually have to be paid minimum wage and not the penal system wages.
 
The real question why is how can the  Sally Ann pay there Canadian CEO 13K a year and housing, the rest goes directly to those in need.
Virtually all other Charities have Executives making Banker style dosh, where only small amounts are past down to those in need.

They don't pay taxes and are sometime given our tax money.  Should be brought out in the press on something like W-5 or the 5th Estate.
 
Although it should be mentioned that if you're someone who counts themselves as a progressive person there are reasons not to support the Salvation Army as well.

The lesson being that before charitable giving, you should do your own research and decide what groups you're comfortable supporting based on all aspects of an organization.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Although it should be mentioned that if you're someone who counts themselves as a progressive person there are reasons not to support the Salvation Army as well.

The lesson being that before charitable giving, you should do your own research and decide what groups you're comfortable supporting based on all aspects of an organization.

Are they the ones that are outspoken against a homosexual lifestyle?
 
Bill_Berg said:
Nik the Trik said:
Although it should be mentioned that if you're someone who counts themselves as a progressive person there are reasons not to support the Salvation Army as well.

The lesson being that before charitable giving, you should do your own research and decide what groups you're comfortable supporting based on all aspects of an organization.

Are they the ones that are outspoken against a homosexual lifestyle?

Yes. One reason why I'd never support them.
 
First I have heard of it. All organizations do have warts, and  externally the Army does acknowledge Gay rights.  The fact of the matter it is the only organization that I know of where the CEO's are earning a pittance with some rudimentary housing as part of their package. Not becoming rich as part of some banking corporation. So in fact the dollar you do give them goes to the people who need the help, not enriching some group of executives to a lavish lifestyle.
 
Highlander said:
First I have heard of it. All organizations do have warts, and  externally the Army does acknowledge Gay rights.  The fact of the matter it is the only organization that I know of where the CEO's are earning a pittance with some rudimentary housing as part of their package. Not becoming rich as part of some banking corporation. So in fact the dollar you do give them goes to the people who need the help, not enriching some group of executives to a lavish lifestyle.

This(T3010: Salvation Army) is a link to the Salvation Army's T3010 form with the Canadian government. As you can see, they spent 20 million on salaries last year with a further 5 million going towards consultants. They have 10 employees earning 100,000 a year or more with their top salary being in the 250k-300k range. That's not exactly a pittance.

I couldn't find any US information because I don't believe, as a religious institution, they're required to provide a 990.
 
Highlander said:
First I have heard of it. All organizations do have warts, and  externally the Army does acknowledge Gay rights.  The fact of the matter it is the only organization that I know of where the CEO's are earning a pittance with some rudimentary housing as part of their package. Not becoming rich as part of some banking corporation. So in fact the dollar you do give them goes to the people who need the help, not enriching some group of executives to a lavish lifestyle.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zinnia-jones/the-salvation-armys-histo_b_4422938.html

http://www.queerty.com/heres-the-internal-document-the-salvation-army-doesnt-want-you-to-see-20141218

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army#Criticism_by_LGBT_activists


In my view outright discrimination on basically religious grounds is more than a "wart."
 
The don't externally condemn gay rights, its an internal matter inside what used to be a fairly rigid religious institution. It does take time for change to happen and it is rapidly happening within our own society.
What will follow in the next two generations is that Gay rights will be as relevant as the horse and buggy, as we have grown into an overall agreement of the new normal.
 

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