Leafs in NHL Awards voting

[drummond]

Several Leafs received some votes.
The most signigicant Leafs contender was Jay MacClement in Selke Trophy voting. He finished 6th with 142pts (4-2-7-13-14) as he was selected first 4 times. This is actually quite impressive.
Kadri and Bozak also received votes in Selke voting.
Nonis finished 7th in General Manager of the Year voting with 6 points (0-2-0)
Randy Carlyle finished also 7th in Coach of the Year cathegory with 40 points (3-5-10). Three voters considered him the best.
Dion Phaneuf finished 11th in Norris Trophy voting with 28points (0-1-1-4-4) leaving behind guys such as Markov or Pietrangelo.
Phil Kessel finished 18th in Lady Byng Trophy voting with 29pts (0-0-3-4-2), Cody Franson 25th (23pts, 0-2-1-1-1) and also Bozak received some votes.
Reimer received 1 vote in Hart Trophy voting.

Speaking of Hart Trophy Cam Charron at Leafs Nation has an interresting peace how come one of the league's 10 best players (meaning Phil Kessel) can play in the league's biggest market and have nobody recognize him for being kind of good.
http://theleafsnation.com/2013/6/15/phil-kessel-inexplicably-shut-out-of-hart-trophy-voting

In summary I believe JayMac was recognized pretty well, I mean, being sixth best league wise is not bad at all. Carlyle and Phaneuf received quite a lot of votes given the amount of criticism they receive not just only on this site.

 

[oakl0008]

Thanks for posting this drummond. Very surprised that Bozak received votes (even if very little) for the Selke and Kessel received not one for the Hart. I did read a comment in that LeafNation post about advanced statistics so I think that a few other factors may have something to do with it.

I like that Maclement was widely recognized and it's good that Phaneuf and Carlyle received some votes. Leafs DID make the playoffs for the first time in 9 years for a few reasons. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Honestly I lose a bit of respect for the awards every time I see the full voting results. I mean, yeah the best players usually at least make it into the top-3, but so many votes are essentially just thrown away.

There's a member of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association that actually thought Nazem Kadri was the 4th best defensive forward in the entire league this season. One member also gave Andrei Markov a first place vote for the Norris, over his teammate who actually won the award. Two GMs thought Scott Howson was the 3rd best general manager in the league, despite the fact that he didn't make it out of the season. Ray Emery finished higher in the Vezina voting than Crawford did, and one GM actually thought that he was the best goalie in the league.

There should be some sort of way to narrow it down to say 5-10 players for each award and then have just those players voted on.

 

[bustaheims]

Speaking of Hart Trophy Cam Charron at Leafs Nation has an interresting peace how come one of the league's 10 best players (meaning Phil Kessel) can play in the league's biggest market and have nobody recognize him for being kind of good.
http://theleafsnation.com/2013/6/15/phil-kessel-inexplicably-shut-out-of-hart-trophy-voting

Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. I mean, I didn't expect him to win or garner any 1st place votes or anything like that, but, not to be on a single ballot? That's pretty absurd, considering some of the guys who were. I mean, guys like Dupuis, Kunitz and Carter weren't even the most valuable guys on their teams - and by a fair margin - never mind in the league.

 

[ZBBM]

Honestly I lose a bit of respect for the awards every time I see the full voting results. I mean, yeah the best players usually at least make it into the top-3, but so many votes are essentially just thrown away.

There's a member of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association that actually thought Nazem Kadri was the 4th best defensive forward in the entire league this season. One member also gave Andrei Markov a first place vote for the Norris, over his teammate who actually won the award. Two GMs thought Scott Howson was the 3rd best general manager in the league, despite the fact that he didn't make it out of the season. Ray Emery finished higher in the Vezina voting than Crawford did, and one GM actually thought that he was the best goalie in the league.

There should be some sort of way to narrow it down to say 5-10 players for each award and then have just those players voted on.

Well, Jay Greenberg just got elected to the Hall of Fame, so you can see what kind of talent pool we're dealing with here.

In all seriousness, there are probably at least a dozen people who post regularly on here who are better writers and thinkers of the game than the ones with gigs. 

CTB, my mouth is hanging open too as I consider that list.  It's apparent that some of these guys just piss away their votes.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

There's a member of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association that actually thought Nazem Kadri was the 4th best defensive forward in the entire league this season.

That's just mind-boggling.  4th best defensive forward on the Leafs, maybe...?

 

[Kin]

Speaking of Hart Trophy Cam Charron at Leafs Nation has an interresting peace how come one of the league's 10 best players (meaning Phil Kessel) can play in the league's biggest market and have nobody recognize him for being kind of good.
http://theleafsnation.com/2013/6/15/phil-kessel-inexplicably-shut-out-of-hart-trophy-voting

Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. I mean, I didn't expect him to win or garner any 1st place votes or anything like that, but, not to be on a single ballot? That's pretty absurd, considering some of the guys who were. I mean, guys like Dupuis, Kunitz and Carter weren't even the most valuable guys on their teams - and by a fair margin - never mind in the league.

You could make the same argument for Kessel though. I probably wouldn't, as I think he was probably the team's MVP this year, but he didn't come in 1st in our admittedly unscientific MotM polling, finishing behind Kadri(and Reimer, ignoring the .5 thing). I understand Kessel not being in anyone's top 5 so, really, it's more an issue of how bad some of the votes were than the omission.

 

[KoHo]

Nonis receiving any votes for GM of the year is laughable. These were his moves:

-Claimed Frazer McLaren off waivers
-Traded Mike Brown for a conditional 4th round pick
-Traded a 4th round pick for Ryan O'Byrne

Yup, that's vote worthy :

Hell, Burke deserved more votes than Nonis.

 

[Brian Glennie]

There's a member of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association that actually thought Nazem Kadri was the 4th best defensive forward in the entire league this season.

That's just mind-boggling.  4th best defensive forward on the Leafs, maybe...?

Really? I think Nazem's the prototype Selke candidate. He scores and he's a punishing hitter.

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[bustaheims]

Really? I think Nazem's the prototype Selke candidate. He scores and he's a punishing hitter.

None of which translates to being a particularly good defensive forward. Very few of the recent Selke winners are overly physical.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Thanks for posting, just as an aside, anyone know why Cam Charron was banned from twitter?

He would usually post great statistical analysis, so I'm surprised that he's gone.

 

[oakl0008]

About Kessel being shut out of Hart voting: Not that I'm reading too much into this but when Jake Gardiner was asked who thought this season's MVP, he chose both Kardri and Reimer. No mention of Kessel. So maybe people close to the game see things that we don't or they just see things differently as to who would display qualities of a Hart candidate. Just a thought.

Not that it matters but I personally believe that he deserved at least a vote or two.

Quote by WhatIfGodWasALeaf:

Thanks for posting, just as an aside, anyone know why Cam Charron was banned from twitter?

He would usually post great statistical analysis, so I'm surprised that he's gone.

I saw that too and I thought it was just a temporary suspension? I'm shocked that he would be banned altogether. Someone mentioned that maybe his account was hacked and that's what caused it, but that was just speculation.

 

[Brian Glennie]

Really? I think Nazem's the prototype Selke candidate. He scores and he's a punishing hitter.

None of which translates to being a particularly good defensive forward. Very few of the recent Selke winners are overly physical.

18G 26A 44Pts in 48 games. He was +15 regular season and he was +7 vrs. the Bruins in the playoffs. All I'm suggesting is that this kid (he's 22) is on the verge of earning recognition as being an elite two-way player.

 

[Jalili]

Yeah I don't think Kadri is remotely close to being an elite two-way player right now.

He's got very good offensive numbers and that's about where he stands right now... a very good offensive player.

 

[Kin]

Nonis receiving any votes for GM of the year is laughable. These were his moves:

-Claimed Frazer McLaren off waivers
-Traded Mike Brown for a conditional 4th round pick
-Traded a 4th round pick for Ryan O'Byrne

Yup, that's vote worthy :

Hell, Burke deserved more votes than Nonis.

While Nonis certainly wouldn't have gotten my vote I think it has to be noted that the job that a GM does is more than just the transactions he makes.

 

[Corn Flake]

Yeah I don't think Kadri is remotely close to being an elite two-way player right now.

He's got very good offensive numbers and that's about where he stands right now... a very good offensive player.

I think Kadri develops along a similar plane to how Kessel has evolved and become such a good player over his career.  Similar amounts of raw talent and plays an 'okay' all-round game but with maturity and experience he's going to learn how to make his talent fit into the team game even more.. just like Kessel has done.

Kadri in about 3 more seasons could be scary good.

 

[Frank E]

Nonis receiving any votes for GM of the year is laughable. These were his moves:

-Claimed Frazer McLaren off waivers
-Traded Mike Brown for a conditional 4th round pick
-Traded a 4th round pick for Ryan O'Byrne

Yup, that's vote worthy :

Hell, Burke deserved more votes than Nonis.

While Nonis certainly wouldn't have gotten my vote I think it has to be noted that the job that a GM does is more than just the transactions he makes.

While that may be true, I think the scope for this award is more specific to the product he put on the ice.

As suggested, there wasn't much of Nonis' fingerprint on this team.

The fact that they probably overachieved, at least according to some of the statistics, suggests that Carlyle may have had more influence than Nonis on this year's relative success.

 

[Kin]

While that may be true, I think the scope for this award is more specific to the product he put on the ice.

Maybe, but I think it's equally clear that the scope of this award is about more than just the things a guy did in any one year. I mean, Murray won this award despite the fact that just about all of the top players on the team, certainly all of the top skaters, were already there. To interpret the award in the way you kind of are suggesting it would make Murrays win entirely boil down to signing Fasth and Fasth having a surprisingly good season.

I think the way the award is really voted on is by looking at the contributions a GM made to ice the product over the course of a few years and because of that I think some voters would rightfully give Nonis some credit for his contributions to the roster during Burke's tenure.