McPhee and Oates let go in Washington

[GhostofPotvin29]

George McPhee and Adam Oates both fired in Washington.

EDIT:  Well, McPhee technically is just not having his contract renewed.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Stupidest thing Washington ever did was allow that one Montreal series to completely dictate how they should run/put together their team. Second stupidest thing was letting go of Boudreau.

McPhee should have been gone long ago.

 

[Damian]

Teddy "Onasis" is too much of a meddler to get it right.....

 

[ZBBM]

Did I read somewhere that grabs said whether he resigns with them depends on whether Oates comes back?

 

[2badknees]

If you're paying that kind of cap hit to a "franchise" player that is interested in scoring goals and little else, there'll be a revolving door in that org when it comes to coaches and management. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Did I read somewhere that grabs said whether he resigns with them depends on whether Oates comes back?

His agent basically said he wanted to see what the team does with their coaching staff this offseason first. This probably doesn't shut the door on the Capitals, but Oates was a big reason why Grabovski chose Washington in the first place.

 

[L K]

Did I read somewhere that grabs said whether he resigns with them depends on whether Oates comes back?

His agent basically said he wanted to see what the team does with their coaching staff this offseason first. This probably doesn't shut the door on the Capitals, but Oates was a big reason why Grabovski chose Washington in the first place.

Carlyle out - Grabovski in    Holland-Grabovski-Fiddler 3rd line

 

[Kin]

During round one of the playoffs? What kind of animals are they?

 

[Scot4bz]

And we wait.....teams that let the coach go will fill their vacancy with the best available while the Leaf "No Vancancy" sign continues to flash outside of the Carlyle motel.

 

[Jalili]

Can't help but think they held on to McPhee a few years too long.

 

[bustaheims]

And we wait.....teams that let the coach go will fill their vacancy with the best available while the Leaf "No Vancancy" sign continues to flash outside of the Carlyle motel.

You do know there's absolutely nothing stopping the Leafs from interviewing potential candidates before they announce that Carlyle has been let go, right? If there's a guy out there that the Leafs really want, if that guy also wants to be the Leafs' head coach, he will be. Relieving Carlyle of his duties is really just a formality.

 

[Kin]

You do know there's absolutely nothing stopping the Leafs from interviewing potential candidates before they announce that Carlyle has been let go, right? If there's a guy out there that the Leafs really want, if that guy also wants to be the Leafs' head coach, he will be. Relieving Carlyle of his duties is really just a formality.

Can you think of a single instance where a team actually began the interview process before firing their coach? Firing a guy is one thing but conducting a real interview process for his replacement without letting him go is just...what? Punitive? Regardless of your views on Carlyle as a coach he's a pretty well regarded person around the league and treating him like that would be seen as pretty bush league especially considering, as we can clearly see, there's no reason why teams can't just fire their coaches right now.

 

[bustaheims]

Can you think of a single instance where a team actually began the interview process before firing their coach? Firing a guy is one thing but conducting a real interview process for his replacement without letting him go is just...what? Punitive? Regardless of your views on Carlyle as a coach he's a pretty well regarded person around the league and treating him like that would be seen as pretty bush league especially considering, as we can clearly see, there's no reason why teams can't just fire their coaches right now.

Some teams are much better at keeping these things secretive, but there are a lot of instances where the team announced a permanent replacement at the same time they announced their current head coach was fired. Interviews and negotiations happen under the radar. Heck, it happened twice with Carlyle in the same season - once when he was let go by Anaheim and then again when he was hired by the Leafs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

You do know there's absolutely nothing stopping the Leafs from interviewing potential candidates before they announce that Carlyle has been let go, right? If there's a guy out there that the Leafs really want, if that guy also wants to be the Leafs' head coach, he will be. Relieving Carlyle of his duties is really just a formality.

I know you're convinced Randy's getting fired, and that's fine. But they aren't interviewing candidates behind his back. There's no way.

 

[bustaheims]

I know you're convinced Randy's getting fired, and that's fine. But they aren't interviewing candidates behind his back. There's no way.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me at all if they've already contacted some of the guys they're looking at as potential replacements. In fact, if they're even leaning towards letting Carlyle go, it would be irresponsible not to have started the process of feeling things out. They really only need to do a full interview process if they don't have a specific guy in mind as the favourite or if that guy isn't interested in the job.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Interviews and negotiations happen under the radar. Heck, it happened twice with Carlyle in the same season - once when he was let go by Anaheim and then again when he was hired by the Leafs.

All those processes happened mid-season when teams don't want to go a game without an actual head coach. I can't think of an instance where a coach was fired during the offseason and a replacement was named at the same time.

 

[Scot4bz]

And we wait.....teams that let the coach go will fill their vacancy with the best available while the Leaf "No Vancancy" sign continues to flash outside of the Carlyle motel.

You do know there's absolutely nothing stopping the Leafs from interviewing potential candidates before they announce that Carlyle has been let go, right? If there's a guy out there that the Leafs really want, if that guy also wants to be the Leafs' head coach, he will be. Relieving Carlyle of his duties is really just a formality.

Of course I know. My issue is how the front office continues the course of waiting to take action. My preference is that they let it be known that the winds of change are blowing. That includes behind the bench, on the ice, in the front office, or the guy who fails to sell enough sushi at the concession stand. I would prefer some action. Who knows - if there is a coach who is really interested in a job here but one is not available, they may sign elsewhere before the Leafs decide to act. The world of secrecy can also not be in your favour....

 

[bustaheims]

All those processes happened mid-season when teams don't want to go a game without an actual head coach. I can't think of an instance where a coach was fired during the offseason and a replacement was named at the same time.

Maybe not at the same time, but there have been a number of instances where the replacement was named within a few days or was unofficially known at the time the incumbent was fired (like when Vingeault took over from Tortorella last summer).

 

[Kin]

Some teams are much better at keeping these things secretive, but there are a lot of instances where the team announced a permanent replacement at the same time they announced their current head coach was fired. Interviews and negotiations happen under the radar. Heck, it happened twice with Carlyle in the same season - once when he was let go by Anaheim and then again when he was hired by the Leafs.

And I think it's pretty fair to say that in neither case was there anything resembling a real interview process. It's one thing to have your guy in mind, him be available and decide to make a change in part because he's available and it's another thing entirely to be interviewing high profile coaches while you have someone under contract.

Especially since, again, the Leafs could fire him today if they wanted to. There is no reason to do what you're suggesting they do.

edit: Excepting, of course, embarrassing Carlyle for its own sake.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Can't help but think they held on to McPhee a few years too long.

Yeah he was a horrible gm.  Didn't make any good trades or UFA signings.  He could a few good players in the draft by tanking for several years.