RFA Contract Talks Thread

[CarltonTheBear]

The Big 3 are obviously Gardiner, Franson, and Reimer. All 3 were eligible to file for arbitration, with Gardiner being the only one not to. The NHLPA released the dates of the arbitration hearings today:

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle  15m
Arbitration dates for Leafs
Cody Franson - July 21
James Reimer - July 28

It's interesting that Gardiner chose not to file. I think typically that would mean that he's not interested in a short-term deal.

 

[Kin]

I don't know how intricate the arbitration process will get but I think that the Leafs are pretty well situated with regards to Reimer coming back at a reasonable term.

As for Gardiner I think this could be a situation where a longer term deal could really work to the team's advantage. 5 years/22.5 or something would be downright friendly.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Might give some help as to what Reimer might get if it goes to arbitration:

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/07/03/james-reimer-elects-for-salary-arbitration/

 

[Britishbulldog]

Might give some help as to what Reimer might get if it goes to arbitration:

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/07/03/james-reimer-elects-for-salary-arbitration/

I would love for Reimer to get a 3 year $8.0 MIL contract which would put him just under Bernier's contract but might be enough money to keep him happy enough to stay.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Speaking of Franson, from a Calgary radio show:

@BoomerAndRhett 

Friedman: "There'll be a divorce at some point between Toronto and Franson. Interesting to see if Calgary pursues."

 

[2badknees]

I would love for Reimer to get a 3 year $8.0 MIL contract which would put him just under Bernier's contract but might be enough money to keep him happy enough to stay.

I don't see why the leafs would have any long term plans around Reimer. Even as a designated backup, which is what he doesn't want to be.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I would love for Reimer to get a 3 year $8.0 MIL contract which would put him just under Bernier's contract but might be enough money to keep him happy enough to stay.

I don't see why the leafs would have any long term plans around Reimer. Even as a designated backup, which is what he doesn't want to be.

To try and get some value from him, either trade value or in-game value.  You go to arbitration, you end up with a 1-year deal and he walks.  It's in Leafs interest to sign him before arbitration since the goalie market has basically dried up - and that's something hopefully that's been made clear to Reimer.  There aren't many #1 jobs available (maybe less than a handful) where Reimer could argue he would clearly be the #1 going into next season, so it is likely in his interest as well to prove what he can do if he were to come back.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

There aren't many #1 jobs available (maybe less than a handful) where Reimer could argue he would clearly be the #1 going into next season, so it is likely in his interest as well to prove what he can do if he were to come back.

http://thegoalieguild.com/wp-content/uploads/releases/depthchartsjuly2014.pdf

I'm not sure you can name a single one to be honest. Buffalo sure but the Leafs aren't moving him there. Even if you're just looking at teams with an opening at back-up Winnipeg is the only option that stands out.

 

[bustaheims]

http://thegoalieguild.com/wp-content/uploads/releases/depthchartsjuly2014.pdf

I'm not sure you can name a single one to be honest. Buffalo sure but the Leafs aren't moving him there. Even if you're just looking at teams with an opening at back-up Winnipeg is the only option that stands out.

Buffalo may be the only clearly "up for grabs" spot, but there are a few where there's definitely potential for someone like Reimer to be able to steal the job - Winnipeg, Minnesota, Washington, St Louis, Edmonton, Anaheim and Carolina all have inexperienced and/or inconsistent goalies (mostly with little contractual commitment) manning their nets.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Buffalo may be the only clearly "up for grabs" spot, but there are a few where there's definitely potential for someone like Reimer to be able to steal the job - Winnipeg, Minnesota, Washington, St Louis, Edmonton, Anaheim and Carolina all have inexperienced and/or inconsistent goalies (mostly with little contractual commitment) manning their nets.

All of those teams (with the exception of Winnipeg) have two or more NHL goalies already on their roster that they appear committed to though. Sure, a Jake Allen or John Gibson might struggle in the NHL or maybe Harding and Backstrom run into injury troubles, but it likely won't be until a quarter into the season that their teams decide they want to make a change and I'm not sure the Leafs will move Reimer mid-season.

 

[Bullfrog]

Know what team doesn't have two NHL goalies without Reimer? The Leafs. They'd be crazy to get rid of him without a really good replacement. He'll still come in relatively cheap, I think.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

TORONTO ? The Toronto Maple have signed forward Jamie Devane to a two-year contract.

 

[freer]

Why???. AHL bound I guess

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Buffalo may be the only clearly "up for grabs" spot, but there are a few where there's definitely potential for someone like Reimer to be able to steal the job - Winnipeg, Minnesota, Washington, St Louis, Edmonton, Anaheim and Carolina all have inexperienced and/or inconsistent goalies (mostly with little contractual commitment) manning their nets.

All of those teams (with the exception of Winnipeg) have two or more NHL goalies already on their roster that they appear committed to though. Sure, a Jake Allen or John Gibson might struggle in the NHL or maybe Harding and Backstrom run into injury troubles, but it likely won't be until a quarter into the season that their teams decide they want to make a change and I'm not sure the Leafs will move Reimer mid-season.

Allen is likely the back-up anyway no? I'd imagine Elliot will be given more than a handful of games as the #1 to start things off. If he falters then Allen gets a look.

Reimer isn't much better than either at this point (especially in front of that team).

 

[freer]

Buffalo may be the only clearly "up for grabs" spot, but there are a few where there's definitely potential for someone like Reimer to be able to steal the job - Winnipeg, Minnesota, Washington, St Louis, Edmonton, Anaheim and Carolina all have inexperienced and/or inconsistent goalies (mostly with little contractual commitment) manning their nets.

All of those teams (with the exception of Winnipeg) have two or more NHL goalies already on their roster that they appear committed to though. Sure, a Jake Allen or John Gibson might struggle in the NHL or maybe Harding and Backstrom run into injury troubles, but it likely won't be until a quarter into the season that their teams decide they want to make a change and I'm not sure the Leafs will move Reimer mid-season.

Allen is likely the back-up anyway no? I'd imagine Elliot will be given more than a handful of games as the #1 to start things off. If he falters then Allen gets a look.

Reimer isn't much better than either at this point (especially in front of that team).

i tired of all this Reimer and Franson crap. It is a soap opera, either sign them or trade them. Get on with it.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Buffalo may be the only clearly "up for grabs" spot, but there are a few where there's definitely potential for someone like Reimer to be able to steal the job - Winnipeg, Minnesota, Washington, St Louis, Edmonton, Anaheim and Carolina all have inexperienced and/or inconsistent goalies (mostly with little contractual commitment) manning their nets.

All of those teams (with the exception of Winnipeg) have two or more NHL goalies already on their roster that they appear committed to though. Sure, a Jake Allen or John Gibson might struggle in the NHL or maybe Harding and Backstrom run into injury troubles, but it likely won't be until a quarter into the season that their teams decide they want to make a change and I'm not sure the Leafs will move Reimer mid-season.

Allen is likely the back-up anyway no? I'd imagine Elliot will be given more than a handful of games as the #1 to start things off. If he falters then Allen gets a look.

Reimer isn't much better than either at this point (especially in front of that team).

i tired of all this Reimer and Franson crap. It is a soap opera, either sign them or trade them. Get on with it.

I'm pretty much 100% certain we'll see them signed.

Whether or not they're moved after is another thing (Franson I think will be moved, Reimer not so sure).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Buffalo may be the only clearly "up for grabs" spot, but there are a few where there's definitely potential for someone like Reimer to be able to steal the job - Winnipeg, Minnesota, Washington, St Louis, Edmonton, Anaheim and Carolina all have inexperienced and/or inconsistent goalies (mostly with little contractual commitment) manning their nets.

All of those teams (with the exception of Winnipeg) have two or more NHL goalies already on their roster that they appear committed to though. Sure, a Jake Allen or John Gibson might struggle in the NHL or maybe Harding and Backstrom run into injury troubles, but it likely won't be until a quarter into the season that their teams decide they want to make a change and I'm not sure the Leafs will move Reimer mid-season.

Allen is likely the back-up anyway no? I'd imagine Elliot will be given more than a handful of games as the #1 to start things off. If he falters then Allen gets a look.

Reimer isn't much better than either at this point (especially in front of that team).

i tired of all this Reimer and Franson crap. It is a soap opera, either sign them or trade them. Get on with it.

So the typical process when a team and player can't agree on terms is a soap opera now because it is being discussed?

 

[showmethemoneyman]

i tired of all this Reimer and Franson crap. It is a soap opera, either sign them or trade them. Get on with it.
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franson apparently has a history with the new asst  coach horachek , so a potential for him and the Leafs to kiss and make up, and he used to be a good defenceman so we shall see.
i' be happy if reimer stayed the year in toronto to prove himself which if he stays healthy he might

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Allen is likely the back-up anyway no? I'd imagine Elliot will be given more than a handful of games as the #1 to start things off. If he falters then Allen gets a look.

The Blues are pretty high on Allen, and he's coming off a great AHL season where he was named goalie of the year. I don't think St. Louis would have been comfortable going into a season where Elliott was the clear number 1 heading into the season. They're likely expecting more of a 1A/1B situation where Allen hopefully emerges as the #1 guy.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

i tired of all this Reimer and Franson crap. It is a soap opera, either sign them or trade them. Get on with it.

They both have arbitration hearings settled, and it's very unlikely they get traded before then. They'll both have contracts by the end of July, so we won't be in a situation where this is dragging out into training camp or anything.