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Something to keep in mind for the upcoming season

Kin

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Apologies but this will be a very lengthy post...

I've been a Maple Leafs fan for about 22 years or so. I can't pinpoint exactly when I became a Maple Leafs fan. I'd gone to games at the Gardens since I was about 5 or so but early on I remember liking the Whalers or Penguins mainly. I'd guess that the fandom really took root when the Leafs, tragically bad for most of that time, got good in the 92-93 season.

About 15 or so years ago I think I probably reached a point where the information was available enough and my brain developed enough to start thinking critically about why the Maple Leafs didn't seem to be as good as the teams that won the Stanley Cup and, as a fan of the Leafs, began thinking about ways for them to remedy that.

A simple solution presented itself. Something that I thought was indisputably true. In order for the Leafs, or any team, to get good enough to win the Stanley Cup, they first had to go through a stretch where they were very bad. This would give them the best possible chance to draft the sort of players that teams needed to win. Combined with smart management, that losing would be the painful and necessary first step on the road to building a powerhouse.

This, I would argue(here primarily) was a path the Leafs should take intentionally. They should try to be bad in order to avail themselves of the best position in the reverse-order draft.

After many years of saying this, after untold thousands of words in posts like this one and all sorts of research to back up this indisputably true point it seems as though finally, finally, the team I've cheered for for so long is going to do down this prescribed path. No more "re-tooling". No more "building while competing". No more big contracts to bad free agents in a desperate attempt at competency. Finally an honest rebuild.

So I should be happy. I should be genuinely excited that the Leafs are finally going to do what I really do feel is necessary for them ever to win a Stanley Cup in my lifetime. This is basically my Leafs fan Christmas. But, on the eve of a season where the Leafs seem more or less designed to be as bad as possible, there is something I feel that needs to be said because it, like my belief in their need to be bad, is just as true:

This is all unforgivably stupid.

It's ethically wrong. It's morally dubious. It's contrary to what "Sport" is supposed to be about. This should be taken as an insult, an affront, to any thinking sports fan. A slap in the face to anyone who follows these games because, deep down, they love competition. Because they want to see effort and skill rewarded when it's the best.

Incompetence shouldn't be rewarded. Smart people, people who aren't incompetent, shouldn't be forced to approximate the methods of the incompetent because to do so yields rewards. Championships should not be the result of sustained losing. We can parse what "throwing" a game or a season means, sure, but if you are engaged in a competition, you should not try to lose whether by active forfeit or design. If there is incentive for you to do so, then that incentive should not exist.

The Toronto Maple Leafs, I'm pretty confident in saying, are being run by smart people. The Edmonton Oilers, I'm equally confident in saying, have in recent years been run by people who are, comparatively speaking, incompetent. Despite this, the Edmonton Oilers go into this season with a team that looks to have every possibility of being very exciting to watch and might very well be a good team very quickly. The Maple Leafs, realistically, have a long road ahead of them in the hopes that they can assemble the sort of talent that Edmonton has.

But what does the fact that Edmonton has failed their way into that talent say? What does it mean if they win a championship with those players? What bragging rights would any Edmonton supporter have? "Haha, our team was so poorly run that we had 4 1st overall picks!".

If the Maple Leafs do what the vast majority of us want them to do, be very bad this year and get lucky through the random drawing of chance and draft someone like Auston Matthews, that might be the result of design, sure, but it won't be an accomplishment in any real sense of the word. It's gaming a stupid, poorly designed system that sublimates honest, reasonable competition for the business interests of people who own hockey teams. We're asking these people to feign incompetence because that's the surest path to the top.

Reading these boards the way I do, I know people know that. I'm pretty sure it's why some people are, quite frankly, not being very realistic when they set a time-frame for how long this process will go. They don't want this to last five years. The idea that the next five years will be bad, intentionally bad, strikes at the heart of what makes them fans of watching athletic competitions. Some are trying to mitigate it by getting excited about watching AHL or OHL games just in the hopes that what they see there will be a harbinger of success for the team they actually care about.

I understand these impulses. Five years is a long time. The thought of it, what we're probably about to all watch, has really dampened my enthusiasm for this sport. I'm never going to stop being obsessive about this team, I'm too far gone for that, but I can't help but feel more than a little worn down by it despite whatever rewards it may bring. I hope that if it goes well I'll find some sort of way to look at it as anything other than the fortunate result of cynically exploiting a broken, counter-intuitive system but who knows? I'll be almost 40 by then probably.

All throughout both lockouts I argued, at length, that fans of teams like the Maple Leafs deserved to be rewarded for their fandom. That it didn't make sense to ask the fans of this team to watch a bad product for the sake of fans in Arizona or Ottawa or whoever. If the Maple Leafs fanbase were rational consumers in any other instance and were told that the product we wanted to buy was intentionally going to be bad so as to let other people buy the product we wanted...well, I don't think we'd be consumers of that product.

But that didn't win out. Parity was the name of the game. Talent distribution. Competitive balance.

So here we are. About to embark on an 82 game schedule where the team we cheer for isn't designed to win, we don't want it to win and we're all supposed to pretend that this is in any way an honest reflection of why any of us became fans in the first place. There's a word I want to use for that but can't so I'll just say that this whole enterprise resembles the leavings of male cows.

Go Leafs Go.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Five years is a long time. The thought of it, what we're probably about to all watch, has really dampened my enthusiasm for this sport. I'm never going to stop being obsessive about this team, I'm too far gone for that, but I can't help but feel more than a little worn down by it despite whatever rewards it may bring.

All very well said, Nik. This part in particular rings true with me. I have been a fan for many, many years. And even with some of the terrible teams I've had to endure, I don't ever remember feeling this empty about a season about to kick off. I should be excited that the Leafs are finally doing things 'the right way', like I've wanted them to do, but I'm not.
 
It was sometime during the JFJ era that I started to realize that what the Leafs needed to do and weren't doing, was rebuild. It will not surprise me in the least if it takes them 5 years to have accumulated the talent to contend and will be starting to look like they might.

At least current management seems to have realized the necessity of a full rebuild, and beyond that, has convinced MLSE of it. It's dismaying to think about the Leafs as an organization having gone so far down the wrong path since the 2004/05 lockout. They've hiked themselves far into the wilderness. Now, they have to turn around and get out.

There's no quick, surefire way to do it and it will really test my patience and interest level as a fan. I hope they don't abandon the process. I think that would be it for me.

It is a strange system of rewarding failure that the NHL has allowed to happen, but that's the way it is for now. If that system does change, the Leafs will need to change with it. If there's one thing I'm really tired of, it's the Leafs being a sad-sack hockey team year-in, year-out, management that seems to take stupid pills upon being hired, raking in immense profits while operating out of step with the rest of the league.

I don't begrudge them the financial success, but it just illustrates that there is something quite wrong with the Leafs and has long been the case. I don't really pin all the blame on management, either. It's been more of a system-wide failure from top to bottom.

I do sense that things might start slowly heading in the right direction, but yeah, it's going to be a long season. Probably a few of those coming.
 
Just don't cheer from them to lose.  I can never do that.  But what I have learned to do is accept it when they do lose and not worry about it.  I've contented myself these past ten years or so with looking for signs of breakthroughs by younger players, and individual good plays in games.  Very different from the prime Sundin years when what was most interesting was how the team as a whole was doing at any given stretch of the season.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Five years is a long time. The thought of it, what we're probably about to all watch, has really dampened my enthusiasm for this sport. I'm never going to stop being obsessive about this team, I'm too far gone for that, but I can't help but feel more than a little worn down by it despite whatever rewards it may bring. I hope that if it goes well I'll find some sort of way to look at it as anything other than the fortunate result of cynically exploiting a broken, counter-intuitive system but who knows? I'll be almost 40 by then probably.

Isn't this proof of why team ownership/management has been so wary to go this route?
 
Potvin29 said:
Isn't this proof of why team ownership/management has been so wary to go this route?

Probably. But that's why they should have done a better job in protecting their ability to not have to. Otherwise it's like someone putting off going to the dentist because they don't want to feel bad about all their cavities.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Just don't cheer from them to lose.  I can never do that.  But what I have learned to do is accept it when they do lose and not worry about it.  I've contented myself these past ten years or so with looking for signs of breakthroughs by younger players, and individual good plays in games.  Very different from the prime Sundin years when what was most interesting was how the team as a whole was doing at any given stretch of the season.

Sure. Everyone is making their plans to still follow hockey however they can and take what enjoyment they can through the process. The point of this isn't to say people shouldn't, it's to say that what makes this a necessity is a broken, flawed system that exploits the passion and loyalty of fans for the business interests of hockey teams in other cities and while we're all going along with it, that should still be called out for being the crap that it is.
 
An interesting post, Nik.

I'm curious, do you have any thoughts on how to change the draft? Including possibly removing the draft.

Given Edmonton's situation, I think some limits on consecutive top three drafts needs to be implemented.
 
Bullfrog said:
An interesting post, Nik.

I'm curious, do you have any thoughts on how to change the draft? Including possibly removing the draft.

I do but most of them are non-starters because I'm not overly interested in protecting the business interests of NHL owners. I think doing away with the draft or at the least having a draft more similar to MLB before the implementation of bonus pools(where players would negotiate their bonuses individually and therefore high-priced but very talented players in the draft would drop to teams willing to pay their bonuses) would at the very least be a bare minimum.
 
Potvin29 said:
Nik the Trik said:
Five years is a long time. The thought of it, what we're probably about to all watch, has really dampened my enthusiasm for this sport. I'm never going to stop being obsessive about this team, I'm too far gone for that, but I can't help but feel more than a little worn down by it despite whatever rewards it may bring. I hope that if it goes well I'll find some sort of way to look at it as anything other than the fortunate result of cynically exploiting a broken, counter-intuitive system but who knows? I'll be almost 40 by then probably.

Isn't this proof of why team ownership/management has been so wary to go this route?

Certainly that has to be a prime reason. 

At this point, it's a matter of being fatigued with this team and losing.  That's all we've known for pretty much the last decade, and there has never been much light at the end of the tunnel.  You become numb to it.  Getting riled up over a Leafs loss is a thing of the past.  Save for that Game 7.  One measley game in a decade. 

It's now that ownership/management is finally realizing the light?  The team has literally been set back 15 years because of it.  I don't think these feelings of hollowness would be felt today if we weren't forced to endure over the next few years what we've already had to over the last ten.
 
I thought the upcoming seasons would be more easy to bear because of a true optimism in the direction of management.

Rightly or wrongly, that optimism has waned because of the hiring of Lamoriello. I don't think he's made any really contrary moves, but some of his arbitrary team rules leads me to having some doubts.

I'm optimistic for a Shanahan, Hunter, and Dubas leadership.
 
I have felt for a long time that the NHL as a game has evolved to provide entertainment vs sport.  Capping high revenue teams allows those weaker market teams to compete.  It's all quite socialistic when you think about it.  I agree that rewarding failure is bad news.  Couple this with long term guaranteed contracts with a cap is just nuts.  Maybe a transfer fee system is the way to go.  I think I am just down on the NHL product as a whole, not necessarily the Leafs.  I am Leafs fan who used to watch other games when Leafs sucked.  Now I can't watch a full Leaf games and I haven't seen a playoff game since Boston won in game 7.  Too much garbage hockey out there....
 
Nik the Trik said:
Bullfrog said:
An interesting post, Nik.

I'm curious, do you have any thoughts on how to change the draft? Including possibly removing the draft.

I do but most of them are non-starters because I'm not overly interested in protecting the business interests of NHL owners. I think doing away with the draft or at the least having a draft more similar to MLB before the implementation of bonus pools(where players would negotiate their bonuses individually and therefore high-priced but very talented players in the draft would drop to teams willing to pay their bonuses) would at the very least be a bare minimum.

I like the MLB draft idea.
 
Agreed. I honestly am not excited for the season to start. I will watch but with very little enthusiasm because I know it's going to be slow and painful.
 
I will always love the Leafs, have since being a little boy watching them win multiple cups. Then they wandered into the desert for a long long time, I drifted away, for years I didnt own a tv, didnt want to. Then when the Internet came along although I was living overseas I started to pay attention, the Sundin years, Gary Roberts, Mogilny, Darcy, Tie, a decent team run by a good coach. Then the lockouts and more bad management to this point.  Parity, incentives to field bad teams for good prospects.  I think this is the last year we see a team that is constructed by castoffs and rentals.  Next year we will see Brown and Nylander, probably Kapanen and perhaps Loov. We will trade or drop Polak, perhaps Lupul, Bozak, and a host of others assembling as many picks as we can to further stock the cupboards.  We may end up with a high first round draft pick for the next draft or several. In any case we are seeing the beginning of our future tonight.
Oh and by the way, I think hockey is better than it has ever been, fast and getting faster.
 
Sorry, but abandoning parity as a leaguewide goal sounds like special pleading.  Ditching the current draft to switch to one that gives richer teams an advantage would, in the Leafs case, definitely be rewarding incompetence.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Sorry, but abandoning parity as a leaguewide goal sounds like special pleading.  Ditching the current draft to switch to one that gives richer teams an advantage would, in the Leafs case, definitely be rewarding incompetence.

1) The chief mechanism that ensures parity in this league is the salary cap. If Connor McDavid had been able to independently negotiate his bonus this year and that bonus counted against the cap, then teams like Chicago or LA wouldn't have been realistically been able to add him. The cap ensures parity, adding a reverse order draft on top of that only rewards incompetence.

2) The key words there are "In the Leafs case" but, realistically, the Rangers and Habs and various other teams would have been just as capable of bidding on him. This isn't a case of "special pleading" because the rules would be the same for everyone.
 
Hate the game not the player.

Should the Leafs tank, draft 1st overall 4 times in a row, then win a Cup some time after that, that Cup win isn't tainted by unsportsmanlike conduct. They're following the system as it was designed to be followed, or one path anyway. They're not deflating pucks.

Not that you explicitly said that a Cup win would be tainted, but that's where the logic leads if you start and agree with the statement that what the Leafs are doing is morally dubious.
 
Bill_Berg said:
Hate the game not the player.

Should the Leafs tank, draft 1st overall 4 times in a row, then win a Cup some time after that, that Cup win isn't tainted by unsportsmanlike conduct. They're following the system as it was designed to be followed, or one path anyway. They're not deflating pucks.

Not that you explicitly said that a Cup win would be tainted, but that's where the logic leads if you start and agree with the statement that what the Leafs are doing is morally dubious.

I've waited 39 or 40 years hoping for a Cup every year (I'm turning 46 this year).  At this point I'll take a Cup, ANY WAY the Leafs can win one.  If that means they somehow cheat the system, influence people behind the scenes, fix games, threaten people,  and none of that ever comes out in the press, I'll take it.  I want to see the Leafs win a Cup before I'm dead.
 
Bill_Berg said:
Hate the game not the player.

Yes. That's what I'm doing. I'm saying the system is fundamentally flawed by rewarding bad behaviour.

Bill_Berg said:
Should the Leafs tank, draft 1st overall 4 times in a row, then win a Cup some time after that, that Cup win isn't tainted by unsportsmanlike conduct.

I mean, it's not uniquely tainted by unsportsmanlike conduct but it very much is the result of it all the same.

Regardless, the key point there is it's not really an accomplishment either. Failing upwards isn't a cause for celebration.
 

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