Team MVP

[Boston Leaf]

any thoughts on who team MVP would be?

I think it would have to be a two man race between Kessel and Reimer...

But.. I stil think Dion Phaneuf should be given some consideration. Not sure without him chewing up the tough minutes game in and game out we would have been succesful

 

[Deebo]

To me, the answer is Phaneuf.

 

[Zee]

My vote is Reimer.  Coming into the season the biggest question mark was in goal, all the talk was Luongo and how we need a proven goalie in net.  With Reimer playing like this the entire team can play their game and know they don't have to worry about making a mistake and having it automatically end up in a goal.

Quick stat, since the NHL started tracking save % for goalies in 1983, Reimer is #1 on the Leafs list for a single season save % right now at .926%  Ahead of both Belfour and Cujo.  Yes it's a short season, but he's been solid.

 

[Kin]

It's a toss-up for me between Reimer, Kessel and McClement.

 

[Corn Flake]

To me, the answer is Phaneuf.

This. With Reimer a close 2nd.

 

[leafplasma]

Reimer has put up some great numbers and I think has carried the team for about a month.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

Reimer. Maybe Kessel. If he'd been healthy and played more, maybe Lupul.

Phaneuf?! Seriously?! sorry, I just don't see that.

 

[Rebel_1812]

The argument can be made for Kadri too.

 

[Corn Flake]

Phaneuf?! Seriously?! sorry, I just don't see that.

I just can't understand how people don't see what this guy does for this team night in night out.

- logs 25 mins / night against the other team's best players every game.  (has the highest CORSI quality of competition numbers in the league for d-man .. Kulemin is #1 in that area ... someone who understands those stats better can explain better than I)

- Team has a .914 save percentage when he's on the ice despite dealing with the elite offensive players every night

- Top 9 in d-man scoring.. 1 more point and he would be top 4.

- Runs the 14th best power play in the league and is about as good at gaining the zone when rushing the puck as any d-man we've had on this team in a long time.  The number of pucks he keeps in the zone when on the PP is crazy.. another thing that goes unnoticed.

Anyone else want to chime in?

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

I consider the question by asking myself which player, if not on the roster, would have most likely resulted in the team missing the playoffs.  For me it's Reimer.

 

[Deebo]

Phaneuf?! Seriously?! sorry, I just don't see that.

I just can't understand how people don't see what this guy does for this team night in night out.

- logs 25 mins / night against the other team's best players every game.  (has the highest CORSI quality of competition numbers in the league for d-man .. Kulemin is #1 in that area ... someone who understands those stats better can explain better than I)

- Team has a .914 save percentage when he's on the ice despite dealing with the elite offensive players every night

- Top 9 in d-man scoring.. 1 more point and he would be top 4.

- Runs the 14th best power play in the league and is about as good at gaining the zone when rushing the puck as any d-man we've had on this team in a long time.  The number of pucks he keeps in the zone when on the PP is crazy.. another thing that goes unnoticed.

Anyone else want to chime in?

The answer to BermudaBudsFan's question in the post underneath yours..

"if not on the roster, would have most likley resulted in the team missing the playoffs."

I feel that is Phaneuf, think of the D without him.. Gunnarsson, Liles, Franson, Fraser, Kostka, Gardiner.

 

[Kin]

- logs 25 mins / night against the other team's best players every game.  (has the highest CORSI quality of competition numbers in the league for d-man .. Kulemin is #1 in that area ... someone who understands those stats better can explain better than I)

Well, I'm a bit of a novice to it too but my understanding of it is that the QOC number measures the Corsi of the players he played against and that dictates the "quality" of the competition. The problem with that, though, is that it seems to me as though Corsi itself doesn't really adequately compensate for the way players are used. Jay McClement, for instance, has the second worst Corsi numbers on the team behind only Holzer so, and again this is my novice's understanding of it, that means that when an opposing forward went up against McClement it graded him as being easy competition and Clarke MacArthur, who has the highest Corsi numbers, as being the toughest. I don't think that really matches up with how we see the game.

 

[Kin]

Phaneuf?! Seriously?! sorry, I just don't see that.

I just can't understand how people don't see what this guy does for this team night in night out.

- logs 25 mins / night against the other team's best players every game.  (has the highest CORSI quality of competition numbers in the league for d-man .. Kulemin is #1 in that area ... someone who understands those stats better can explain better than I)

- Team has a .914 save percentage when he's on the ice despite dealing with the elite offensive players every night

- Top 9 in d-man scoring.. 1 more point and he would be top 4.

- Runs the 14th best power play in the league and is about as good at gaining the zone when rushing the puck as any d-man we've had on this team in a long time.  The number of pucks he keeps in the zone when on the PP is crazy.. another thing that goes unnoticed.

Anyone else want to chime in?

The answer to BermudaBudsFan's question in the post underneath yours..

"if not on the roster, would have most likley resulted in the team missing the playoffs."

I feel that is Phaneuf, think of the D without him.. Gunnarsson, Liles, Franson, Fraser, Kostka, Gardiner.

Using that rationale shouldn't every team's MVP be their #1 goalie every year? I don't think the team is near the playoffs with Scrivens/Rynnas.

 

[leafplasma]

The argument can be made for Kadri too.

We basically added two 30 goal scorers(pro-rated of course) to last years team by having Kadri and JVR play a full season and perform as they did for us this year.  This influx of offence to a team that really had no problem in putting the puck in the net to begin with is huge.  Schenn on the back end has departed but Fraser has been way better in that capacity so there is improvement there as well. With effective bottom 6 guys like McClement and Komarov and the goaltending we have gotten, not a wonder this team is in the playoffs.  An actual system has helped as well.

 

[Zee]

- logs 25 mins / night against the other team's best players every game.  (has the highest CORSI quality of competition numbers in the league for d-man .. Kulemin is #1 in that area ... someone who understands those stats better can explain better than I)

Well, I'm a bit of a novice to it too but my understanding of it is that the QOC number measures the Corsi of the players he played against and that dictates the "quality" of the competition. The problem with that, though, is that it seems to me as though Corsi itself doesn't really adequately compensate for the way players are used. Jay McClement, for instance, has the second worst Corsi numbers on the team behind only Holzer so, and again this is my novice's understanding of it, that means that when an opposing forward went up against McClement it graded him as being easy competition and Clarke MacArthur, who has the highest Corsi numbers, as being the toughest. I don't think that really matches up with how we see the game.

I really don't understand the advanced stats / corsi at all when a guy like McClement is the worst forward on the team.  For me he's the forward I would want out there with the game on the line and the team protecting a one goal lead.  He's great clearing the zone and has helped the PK tremendously this season.  Corsi is seriously flawed if this guy is the worst on the team.

 

[Deebo]

I don't think the team is near the playoffs with Scrivens/Rynnas.

I think the Leafs would have had a better chance of making the playoffs with Scrivens/Rynnas and the current defense with Dion versus Reimer and the current defense without Dion.

 

[Corn Flake]

- logs 25 mins / night against the other team's best players every game.  (has the highest CORSI quality of competition numbers in the league for d-man .. Kulemin is #1 in that area ... someone who understands those stats better can explain better than I)

Well, I'm a bit of a novice to it too but my understanding of it is that the QOC number measures the Corsi of the players he played against and that dictates the "quality" of the competition. The problem with that, though, is that it seems to me as though Corsi itself doesn't really adequately compensate for the way players are used. Jay McClement, for instance, has the second worst Corsi numbers on the team behind only Holzer so, and again this is my novice's understanding of it, that means that when an opposing forward went up against McClement it graded him as being easy competition and Clarke MacArthur, who has the highest Corsi numbers, as being the toughest. I don't think that really matches up with how we see the game.

Believe me I am the last guy who preaches these stats as being the be-all end-all. The quality of competition one is interesting though and McClement is way up there in that one as well.  I've heard people dismiss McClement as "a bad hockey player" because of those numbers.  So to me they are disposable in many cases.

I take them with a huge grain of salt.. huge. 

I do like the on ice sv % number as that is pretty straight forward in terms of judging a player and how the team is doing when he's on the ice defensively. 

 

[AvroArrow]

The argument can be made for Kadri too.

He's definitely my MVP for first half of the season.  He, essentially, was most of our offence until Kessel got going.

 

[Corn Flake]

Corsi is seriously flawed if this guy is the worst on the team.

There are a bunch of different Corsi numbers and yes I think many are very flawed. They also suggest that Lupul is a terrible player too.  So yeah two of our best forwards are apparently garbage.  Puh'leez.

The quality of competition one is one of the few I reference because I don't see it as convoluted as some of the others.

 

[Redleaf]

Corsi is seriously flawed if this guy is the worst on the team.

There are a bunch of different Corsi numbers and yes I think many are very flawed. They also suggest that Lupul is a terrible player too.  So yeah two of our best forwards are apparently garbage.  Puh'leez.

The quality of competition one is one of the few I reference because I don't see it as convoluted as some of the others.

Isn't/wasnt Gardiner tops in the league?