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Toronto Free Agents that are signed

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Britishbulldog

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I have been doing a simple 'yes/no' to indicate if Nonis handled the Leafs free agents who have been signed correctly but giving in to their demands or letting them sign somewhere else.

Should have added Gleason's buyout from $4 MIL on the payroll to $0.833 MIL this year.
NAMEPOS  FROMTOTotalYearsAvg/Yr
July 3 Bodie, TroyCTorontoToronto$??M1$??M
July 3 Kontiola, PetriCChelyabinskToronto$1.1M1$1.1M
July 3 Santorelli, MikeCVancouverToronto$1.5M1$1.5M
McClement, JayC TorontoCarolina$1M1$1M
Kulemin, NikolaiRWTorontoNY Islanders$16.75M  4$4.1875M
MacIntyre, DrewGTorontoCarolina$600K1$600K
Brennan, TJDTorontoNY Islanders    $600K1$600K
Komarov, LeoLWToronto    Toronto$11.8M4$2.95M
Robidas, StephaneDAnaheim    Toronto$9M3$3M
Bolland, DaveCTorontoFlorida$27.5M5$5.5M
Raymond, MasonLWTorontoCalgary$9.5M3$3.166666M
 
McClement - No,  simply because $1 MIL is cheap for a veteran 4th liner but he is easily replaceable so I guess maybe a 'Yes'
Kulemin-  Yes - over $4 MIL a season??  Kulemin has been one of my favorites but that is nuts
MacIntyre -  Yes - I have loved watching him with the Marlies but easily replaceable
Brennan -  Yes - he wasn't going to be on the big club and he wants to be in the NHL not the AHL
Komarov -  Yes - I figured the Leafs could sign Ott to play a similar game but noticed Ott made $2.95 per year on his last contract
Robidas -  Yes - a veteran who was willing to sign with the Leafs
Bolland -  Yes!!! - $5.5 MIL a season hoping he might be ready in the Fall?!?  I mean really??
Raymond -  Yes - over $3 MIL for a player who disappeared every game I saw that got rough.
 
Rebel_1812 said:
yeah the prices for players is getting crazy, its like there will be another lock out around the corner.
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You do know the financial issues with the lockout had very little to do with individual player contracts and pretty much everything to do with the total teams paid in salary. With the players' share locked in at 50%, it doesn't matter how expensive some guys are getting, the players as a whole willing only be able to earn that 50%. All it means is that the gap between the guys at the top of the pay scale and the guys at the bottom will get wider. There's also a point where the league knows the players won't budge and, if there are teams struggling to survive, they either have to accept they won't survive or they'll have to figure out a way to make it work - and, I suspect, we're awfully close to that point now.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if next contract they lower the ceiling for max salary. There's more players near the bottom of the pay scale then near the top.
 
Britishbulldog said:
McClement - No,  simply because $1 MIL is cheap for a veteran 4th liner but he is easily replaceable so I guess maybe a 'Yes'
Kulemin-  Yes - over $4 MIL a season??  Kulemin has been one of my favorites but that is nuts
MacIntyre -  Yes - I have loved watching him with the Marlies but easily replaceable
Brennan -  Yes - he wasn't going to be on the big club and he wants to be in the NHL not the AHL
Komarov -  Yes - I figured the Leafs could sign Ott to play a similar game but noticed Ott made $2.95 per year on his last contract
Robidas -  Yes - a veteran who was willing to sign with the Leafs
Bolland -  Yes!!! - $5.5 MIL a season hoping he might be ready in the Fall?!?  I mean really??
Raymond -  Yes - over $3 MIL for a player who disappeared every game I saw that got rough.
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This thread actually makes me feel a lot better. The quoted post in particular is about how I feel about it all, too (though I'm undecided about Robidas).
 
Its a very good assesment, we didnt lose anything except Kuliman and over 4 million is joke..good luck to him?I like Komorav, and the other signings.
 
Lee-bo said:
I wouldn't be surprised if next contract they lower the ceiling for max salary. There's more players near the bottom of the pay scale then near the top.
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There will always be more players near the bottom than near the top.... that's why the players at the top deserve more money.  Looking at the distribution of points.  There are:

more players who get between 80-90 points than 90-100;

more with 70-80 than 80-90;

more with 60-70 than 70-80;

more with 50-60 than 60-70. etc. 

It is a pyramid.
 
I actually think the top-end guys are underpaid relative to their worth.  It is the mid-tier players who become UFAs who are being overpaid during this free agency period.
 
Lee-bo said:
I wouldn't be surprised if next contract they lower the ceiling for max salary. There's more players near the bottom of the pay scale then near the top.
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That would surprise me since I believe it is a non issue.

It would be surprising to see this become an issue inas much as the max for any one player is somewhere north of $14M per season and no one is anywhere near that - the highest paid player is at $9.55M so about a third off the top possible contract amount.

The problem is not the highest paid players, it is the mid-range ones who get Kulemin and Grabbo money of $10M per year between the two of them (or $5.5M for Bolland) over 4 to 5 years when they are not the ones people pay to see and frankly their on ice value is abysmal compared to their salaries.

That said, the fact is that there are 10 to 15 times more of those guys within the NHLPA so their natural self interest will be in protecting that middle class over payment bubble and that may mean limiting the top end salaries should the issue arise.

The top end salary limit is not an issue for the NHL just for the Sidney Crosbys of the league so I don't see the issue even arising.
 
bustaheims said:
Rebel_1812 said:
yeah the prices for players is getting crazy, its like there will be another lock out around the corner.
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You do know the financial issues with the lockout had very little to do with individual player contracts and pretty much everything to do with the total teams paid in salary. With the players' share locked in at 50%, it doesn't matter how expensive some guys are getting, the players as a whole willing only be able to earn that 50%. All it means is that the gap between the guys at the top of the pay scale and the guys at the bottom will get wider. There's also a point where the league knows the players won't budge and, if there are teams struggling to survive, they either have to accept they won't survive or they'll have to figure out a way to make it work - and, I suspect, we're awfully close to that point now.
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You are correct but the issue was never framed that way at all by the NHL. The league demonized the overpaid players and said a salary cap would put an end to the upward slary  spiral that was out of control.

Well it is still out of control but only with respect to the middle rage of players. The low end ones get a pittance (relatively speaking) and get shed at the end of every season and switch teams (Raymond - last year, McClement Gleason and many many others). The top ones get the longest terms but are paid well less than they are worth (if Bolland is worth $5-5 per year then Sydney Crosby is grossly underpaid).

The salary spiral is now confined to the mid range of players but within that group it is just as stupid as it used to be. The difference is, as  Busta points out, that the global salary expense per team is capped thereby creating an artificial brake on the free spending GMs.

What it also does is to limit trades generally but conversely it means some wildly lopsided deals are being made at trade deadline and at the end of June along with an ever increasing round of season end buy-outs. I suppose this will continue until some team gets way offside on buy-outs.

When combined with a salary floor, there is more reason to throw away megabucks on middle range players and every year it seems  there is no shortage of buy-outs, most often for the same players that the GMs way over paid for the previous two July 1sts.

In other words the NHL GMs were alcoholics, now they are alcoholics with a curfew.
 
It is really unfortunate that the cap seems to have had a very significant effect on trades.  There are hardly any trades during the season and even trades at the deadline have been limited.  In addition, teams are resigning their stars to long-term deals.  Overall, the effect is that there is less opportunity for teams to make significant changes.  Teams at the bottom stay at the bottom for longer.  Or maybe it's just the leafs (and Edmonton).
 
Glad the Leafs kept Trevor Smith.  I don't know what you guys thought but I felt he played well for the Leafs when called up and he was a very good captain of the Marlies.
 
Britishbulldog said:
Glad the Leafs kept Trevor Smith.  I don't know what you guys thought but I felt he played well for the Leafs when called up and he was a very good captain of the Marlies.
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With the signings of Santorelli and Kontiola, it'll likely take an injury or two for him to get a crack at the NHL again, but adding another centre to the organization can't hurt. The Marlies also really don't have much depth at centre past McKegg at this point, and with the loss of Brennan they'll need Smith's offensive talents badly.
 
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