2011-2012 NHL Thread
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bustaheims
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Floyd said:
I called it the worst deal of the summer shortly after it was announced, and, so far . . .
GhostofPotvin29
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Busta Reims said:
Saw this linked on Twitter: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2011/11/2/2533068/ville-leino-buffalo-sabres-philadelphia-flyers
hockeyfan1
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Long article on CTE, the medical communitie's, and the hockey world's opinions....
... The man in charge of player safety for the National Hockey League sat down in a boardroom with Robert Cantu, Ann McKee, Chris Nowinski and Robert Stern, co-directors of the Boston University Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy.
They showed him pictures on a laptop computer. Technically speaking, they showed him abnormal tau protein they found in the brains of deceased athletes ? evidence, they say, of a progressive degenerative disease that is triggered by repetitive head trauma, that can begin months or years after the end of athletic involvement, that is associated with cognitive and behavioral problems.
Brendan Shanahan, the NHL's head of player safety, went to Boston University to get a first-hand look at the school's concussion research.
Simply put, they showed him ugly build-up of black stuff in brains.
?It?s obviously disturbing to look at,? Shanahan said.
Although Shanahan is not a doctor or scientist, he is a hockey dad. He is the NHL?s new disciplinarian. He has a new title (vice-president of player safety and hockey operations) and leads a new group (the department of player safety) created by commissioner Gary Bettman. It is his job to enforce new rules and educate players via video in an effort to reduce head shots and concussions.
He is also a former power forward, a 21-year NHL veteran who fought and hit, who suffered concussions and served suspensions himself. Finally, he is a son who was 15 when his father, Donal, developed Alzheimer?s. He is a son who was still just starting his NHL career when his father died of the disease in 1990.
After he won his first championship with the Detroit Red Wings in 1997, he took the Stanley Cup to his father?s grave in Toronto and sat there alone on a Saturday afternoon.
?I lived the experience of watching somebody?s brain not work the way that a brain should work,? Shanahan said, ?and I know that devastation personally.?
?I know when these doctors speak in scientific terms, it may be very early,? Shanahan said. ?But I still think it?s great work on their part. I?m happy that someone has committed themselves to doing this type of research.?
Cantu and Nowinski made statements afterward that particularly irked hockey experts and executives.
Head trauma has become a hot topic in sports, partly because of BU?s work since its research center was founded in 2008, but also because of the increased knowledge of concussions over the years. The NHL has been proactive on the concussion issue independent of the CTE research.
HBO?s ?Real Sports? produced a segment on enforcers. Cantu was asked if he thinks the NHL will have more deaths if enforcers continue to have hundreds of fights over their careers. He told HBO: ?Yes. I do. I do. We?ll have more deaths in that enforcer group, unquestionably.?
Cantu told CBC that because Martin wasn?t a fighter and had only one documented concussion, ?we?ve got to be concerned that the jostling of the brain just from the skills of the sport of playing in the National Hockey League led him to having chronic traumatic encephalopathy when he died.?
Nowinski said he was trying to make the point that there could have been severe consequences in the future that no one could control.
?And I had this exchange with a senior hockey person who said, ?What?s the big deal about Stage 2?? ? Nowinski said. ?I couldn?t believe it. I?m like, ?Because it becomes Stage 3! That?s why [it?s a big deal]. It started at Stage 1, and then it became Stage 2. Therefore, there?s a chance it becomes Stage 3.? And if people can?t get that, then they?ll never take this as seriously as it deserves.?
Nowinski declined to name the person. But Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke identified himself as that person...
So what is the truth? What do we know, or what does everyone agree on? What don?t we know, or where do doctors disagree?
For more (continuation of article) click here:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AjjNQbogwhoquuJbhGozXOR7vLYF?slug=nc-cotsonika-concussions_cte_shanahan_110211
... The man in charge of player safety for the National Hockey League sat down in a boardroom with Robert Cantu, Ann McKee, Chris Nowinski and Robert Stern, co-directors of the Boston University Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy.
They showed him pictures on a laptop computer. Technically speaking, they showed him abnormal tau protein they found in the brains of deceased athletes ? evidence, they say, of a progressive degenerative disease that is triggered by repetitive head trauma, that can begin months or years after the end of athletic involvement, that is associated with cognitive and behavioral problems.
Brendan Shanahan, the NHL's head of player safety, went to Boston University to get a first-hand look at the school's concussion research.
Simply put, they showed him ugly build-up of black stuff in brains.
?It?s obviously disturbing to look at,? Shanahan said.
Although Shanahan is not a doctor or scientist, he is a hockey dad. He is the NHL?s new disciplinarian. He has a new title (vice-president of player safety and hockey operations) and leads a new group (the department of player safety) created by commissioner Gary Bettman. It is his job to enforce new rules and educate players via video in an effort to reduce head shots and concussions.
He is also a former power forward, a 21-year NHL veteran who fought and hit, who suffered concussions and served suspensions himself. Finally, he is a son who was 15 when his father, Donal, developed Alzheimer?s. He is a son who was still just starting his NHL career when his father died of the disease in 1990.
After he won his first championship with the Detroit Red Wings in 1997, he took the Stanley Cup to his father?s grave in Toronto and sat there alone on a Saturday afternoon.
?I lived the experience of watching somebody?s brain not work the way that a brain should work,? Shanahan said, ?and I know that devastation personally.?
?I know when these doctors speak in scientific terms, it may be very early,? Shanahan said. ?But I still think it?s great work on their part. I?m happy that someone has committed themselves to doing this type of research.?
Cantu and Nowinski made statements afterward that particularly irked hockey experts and executives.
Head trauma has become a hot topic in sports, partly because of BU?s work since its research center was founded in 2008, but also because of the increased knowledge of concussions over the years. The NHL has been proactive on the concussion issue independent of the CTE research.
HBO?s ?Real Sports? produced a segment on enforcers. Cantu was asked if he thinks the NHL will have more deaths if enforcers continue to have hundreds of fights over their careers. He told HBO: ?Yes. I do. I do. We?ll have more deaths in that enforcer group, unquestionably.?
Cantu told CBC that because Martin wasn?t a fighter and had only one documented concussion, ?we?ve got to be concerned that the jostling of the brain just from the skills of the sport of playing in the National Hockey League led him to having chronic traumatic encephalopathy when he died.?
Nowinski said he was trying to make the point that there could have been severe consequences in the future that no one could control.
?And I had this exchange with a senior hockey person who said, ?What?s the big deal about Stage 2?? ? Nowinski said. ?I couldn?t believe it. I?m like, ?Because it becomes Stage 3! That?s why [it?s a big deal]. It started at Stage 1, and then it became Stage 2. Therefore, there?s a chance it becomes Stage 3.? And if people can?t get that, then they?ll never take this as seriously as it deserves.?
Nowinski declined to name the person. But Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke identified himself as that person...
So what is the truth? What do we know, or what does everyone agree on? What don?t we know, or where do doctors disagree?
For more (continuation of article) click here:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AjjNQbogwhoquuJbhGozXOR7vLYF?slug=nc-cotsonika-concussions_cte_shanahan_110211
hockeyfan1
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Brian Burke's take....
I can't imagine there's a hockey player on the planet that doesn't realize there's risk associated with a full-contact sport," Burke told Yahoo! Sports. "Every stitch they took out of my face, every surgery I've had, is linking to contact sports, and again, I chose them and I would not change any of those choices, what they have added to my life, how they've shaped my life. I wouldn't change a thing."
More on Burke's view:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Brian-Burke-8217-s-candid-skepticism-on-concuss?urn=nhl-wp16469
I can't imagine there's a hockey player on the planet that doesn't realize there's risk associated with a full-contact sport," Burke told Yahoo! Sports. "Every stitch they took out of my face, every surgery I've had, is linking to contact sports, and again, I chose them and I would not change any of those choices, what they have added to my life, how they've shaped my life. I wouldn't change a thing."
More on Burke's view:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Brian-Burke-8217-s-candid-skepticism-on-concuss?urn=nhl-wp16469
GhostofPotvin29
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Don't look now, but the Wings have lost 6 straight.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
Could we be witnessing a changing of the guard in the NHL? The Devils are already in year 2 of their apparent fall, Detroit and Vancouver are hovering around .500, Boston is near the bottom of the league, Nashville and San Jose both on the outside looking in right now. On the flip side, some of the best teams in the league include the Oilers, the Leafs and the Stars. It's a brave new world out there.
hockeyfan1
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Busta Reims said:Potvin29 said:
Could we be witnessing a changing of the guard in the NHL? The Devils are already in year 2 of their apparent fall, Detroit and Vancouver are hovering around .500, Boston is near the bottom of the league, Nashville and San Jose both on the outside looking in right now. On the flip side, some of the best teams in the league include the Oilers, the Leafs and the Stars. It's a brave new world out there.
Refreshing!!
dappleganger
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hockeyfan1 said:
Here's the thing that irks me about CTE and Cantu's assertion that there will be more enforcer deaths in the future:
Shouldn't we have already seen an abnormally high death rate among hockey enforcers considering the NHL has been around for some 94 years and fighting was more prevalent than it is now?
Hockey_gal
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Kaleta gets four games for a head-butt
http://tsn.ca/story/?id=379532
http://tsn.ca/story/?id=379532
maplesyrup
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I'm a sucker for good line names and I've somehow missed the Hall-RNH-Eberle handle... The baby oil line. 
Sucker Punch
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Floyd said:I'm a sucker for good line names and I've somehow missed the Hall-RNH-Eberle handle... The baby oil line.
Hehehe, I dig it.
hockeyfan1
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dm_for_pm said:
That's the point Burke is arguing for. The CTE debate rages on, but one thing is for sure: no one prior to now as ever studiied CTE in the brain of enforcers. Prior to now, such a thing (CTE) was unheard of.
Who knows if the enforcers/players who died in the past had any signs of CTE in their brains. We'll never know. What we do know is what is being currently studied.
hockeyfan1
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Finallly! The Islanders ended their 6 game losing skid with a win over the Capitals, in Long Island, Saturday night. P.A. Parenteau led the offence, while Tavares solidified the win with the empty-netter, assisted by Di Pietro.
bustaheims
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DarrenDreger: Payne out in St Louis. Hitchcock in. No details, but sounds like this happened unbelievably quick.
First coaching casualty of the season, and there goes the in house replacement in Columbus.
First coaching casualty of the season, and there goes the in house replacement in Columbus.
GhostofPotvin29
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hockeyfan1 said:
Finally?
Also, Canucks are up 6-2 on Chicago and are 5 of 6 on the PP.
Corn Flake
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Boy that Kenny Hitch is one sneaky guy.
Everyone assumed he was taking over for the team still paying him. Fooled ya!
The 2-11 team knows they are screwed.. maybe they just feel they shouldn't bother firing a coach to pay him plus a new coach to come in and not likely improve things much. That and/or it likely speaks to a full housecleaning coming shortly, starting with Scott Niles Crane Howsen.
Everyone assumed he was taking over for the team still paying him. Fooled ya!
The 2-11 team knows they are screwed.. maybe they just feel they shouldn't bother firing a coach to pay him plus a new coach to come in and not likely improve things much. That and/or it likely speaks to a full housecleaning coming shortly, starting with Scott Niles Crane Howsen.