2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread

[bustaheims]

Is he even a significantly better choice than Francisco? Seems like more of the same.

Well, he's younger, cheaper and under contract for longer. I'd say he has better stuff, though, I know that's hardly conclusive. Francisco has better control, though, Santos gets more outs via strikeout. Santos might be harder to get a hit off of (he certainly was last season, at least). All things considered, I think Santos is a wiser choice, though, I concede, in terms of upgrades, it may appear to be more superficially than it is statistically.

 

[Kin]

Well, he's younger, cheaper and under contract for longer. I'd say he has better stuff, though, I know that's hardly conclusive. Francisco has better control, though, Santos gets more outs via strikeout. Santos might be harder to get a hit off of (he certainly was last season, at least). All things considered, I think Santos is a wiser choice, though, I concede, in terms of upgrades, it may appear to be more superficially than it is statistically.

Yeah, I saw all that. It strikes me as a tough call to make when you include that Santos includes trading one of the team's highly regarded prospects but, heck, I've never been much for prospect-porn at the best of times.

 

[maplesyrup]

It's a departure from the trading for prospects thing I suppose... and we probably save some money by not having to spend on a higher priced FA or closer from another team.... It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) AA does with the money.

 

[bustaheims]

It's a departure from the trading for prospects thing I suppose... and we probably save some money by not having to spend on a higher priced FA or closer from another team.... It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) AA does with the money.

It is, but, it also pretty much shuts the door on Francisco returning (unless he accepts arbitration), which increases the probability of the Jays receiving a compensation pick for him. I'm not sure it's a trade I make, but, I do understand the thinking behind it.

 

[maplesyrup]

A stroll down memory lane...

2008/05/13 Claimed by the Minnesota Twins off waivers from the Toronto Blue Jays.

2005/12/27 Blue Jays traded Miguel Batista and Orlando Hudson to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Troy Glaus and Sergio Santos.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm not sure it's a trade I make, but, I do understand the thinking behind it.

That's where I'm at. Unlike Nik, I do like a little prospect-porn here and there but like some of the real stuff, even when I turn the page the other way, I really don't full understand what I'm seeing.  ;D Anyway, point being, the Jays like Santos and the the Sox like Molina... and I'm pretty sure both teams know what they're looking at.

 

[maplesyrup]

... and to my point... Scouts don't even agree what they're looking at so yeah, no point in even guessing on what we gave up;

Ken_Rosenthal:
One rival GM told me that his scouts project new #WhiteSox prospect Molina as reliever. If so, not good. #MLB [via Twitter]

 

[Fanatic]

Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal
One rival GM told me that his scouts project new #WhiteSox prospect Molina as reliever. If so, not good. #MLB

 

[Kin]

I will say, I don't really get the extended honeymoon AA is on. I'm fine with people liking the bulk of his moves or being confident in him going forward but he made enough bad decisions last year that the sort of automatic faith strikes me as bizarre.

 

[Kin]

Why is it bad if Molina projects out as a reliever?

 

[bustaheims]

Why is it bad if Molina projects out as a reliever?

Because, it just does, okay? Jsut accept it. ;D

Though, I guess, if Molina turns into a run of the mill bullpen arm, trading him for a backend of the bullpen type is probably a step in the wrong direction from Chicago's perspective.

 

[Kin]

Though, I guess, if Molina turns into a run of the mill bullpen arm, trading him for a backend of the bullpen type is probably a step in the wrong direction.

Sure. Like I said, I'm never going to be someone who loses their mind over a prospect I've never seen and whose numbers are tough to project.

I just think some people are reaching on this after being in love with Molina as a prospect.

 

[maplesyrup]

JimBowdenESPNxm:
Alex Anthopolous told us @Mlbnetorkradio that the Blue Jays are unlikely to sign Prince Fielder because they're not going past 5 yrs for him [via Twitter]

So it sounds like we have (or have tried) to submit a 5 year deal.

 

[bustaheims]

Sure. Like I said, I'm never going to be someone who loses their mind over a prospect I've never seen and whose numbers are tough to project.

I just think some people are reaching on this after being in love with Molina as a prospect.

I think, at least from the perspective of guys like Rosenthal and other media members, it's more to do with criticizing Kenny Williams (and, potentially, justifiably so) than anything else.

 

[Kin]

I think, at least from the perspective of guys like Rosenthal and other media members, it's more to do with criticizing Kenny Williams (and, potentially, justifiably so) than anything else.

I was more referring to people in the Jays blogosphere than media members.

 

[bustaheims]

I think, at least from the perspective of guys like Rosenthal and other media members, it's more to do with criticizing Kenny Williams (and, potentially, justifiably so) than anything else.

I was more referring to people in the Jays blogosphere than media members.

Fair enough. I tend to not read too many Jays blogs.

 

[Deebo]

Shulman likes the deal:

DShulman_ESPNDan Shulman
Like the trade the #jays made. Santos has an electric arm, and his contract is very affordable. #bluejays

 

[Fanatic]

I remember Shulman from his days on the Fan 590. I always liked him.

Actually I think it was still The Fan 1430 back then and I think for a while he was the host (maybe even the original host?) of Prime Time Sports.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Since you were all waiting for Sean McCormick's opinion.

Sean_McCormick Sean McCormick

@jamescybulski ...and a 1.10 whip for Santos. the most overlooked stat in baseball. thats a nice number. Great addition to the jays.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

A stroll down memory lane...

2008/05/13 Claimed by the Minnesota Twins off waivers from the Toronto Blue Jays.

2005/12/27 Blue Jays traded Miguel Batista and Orlando Hudson to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Troy Glaus and Sergio Santos.

For both of these transactions Santos was a SS. He's only been pitching since mid/late 2008.