2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
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#1PilarFan
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That's a pretty decent chunk of change for a guy who has only put it together in spurts and defensively useless.
Still, AA is a great judge of talent, so he must be pretty sure Encarnacion can continue hitting at a high level.
Still, AA is a great judge of talent, so he must be pretty sure Encarnacion can continue hitting at a high level.
#1PilarFan said:
He's looked pretty good at 1st this year, and his production would be more than good enough to employ him as a DH next season (if he were to keep up this pace).
Figuring that Bats + EE make about the same as Prince Fielder (less total money though by FAR)...I'm not complaining about this one.
bustaheims
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#1PilarFan said:
His defensive deficiencies are over-stated. His problem was always mainly with his arm - there were times where it seemed like he couldn't make a simple throw to 1st base - but, as a 1B, that problem is largely mitigated and, statistically this season, he's been perfectly adequate at the position. His Range Factor is above league average and he's a positive in defensive runs saved (though, only marginally). His defence at 1B has really been a non-factor - it's neither a boon nor a detriment.
Corn Flake
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bustaheims said:
Seems that moving him to a defensive role he can handle has done a lot of good and more than just his fielding %. I don't think it's that big of a coincidence that his move to DH last year when Lawrie arrived on the scene is when things started to come around for EE. That and the waivers thing seemed to wake him up too.
All in all I think the Jays did a good job of turning an asset that was about as worthless as you can get and helped him develop into a relatively steady 1B and a very good hitter... one that has finally given them the much needed bat behind Bautista in the order.
#1PilarFan
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Yeah but he's been moved to one of the easiest positions defensively to learn. The only problem is that he needs to keep swinging a big bat in order to remain a positive contributor to the club given that 1B is a source of great production in the league.bustaheims said:
In his current form, I'll take him everyday of the week. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little concerned that his current OPS is way above his career OPS and at 29 he was a little overdue for a breakout.
With that said, I said the same thing about Bautista and now he looks like a steal, even having an "off year".
Kin
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bustaheims said:
I know there's going to be a degree of cherry picking whenever you reference defensive stats but I think that's a little much. BR has him at a -0.8 DWAR in only 35 games or so and Fangraphs has him with a negative UZR as well.
RF is a largely useless defensive stat for a first baseman because in large part all it measures is how many ground balls the pitching staff is getting. There's much better evidence that says he's actually been pretty bad at 1B.
That said, he's OPSing 1.001 at 1B so, you know, you can live with crappy defense.
Nik? said:
Can someone explain dWAR to me? He's made 1 error in 35 or 37 games or whatever he's played, he's not making throws (due to position)...he's obviously making the vast majority of the catches he has to. I don't get how they could calculate his defense at 1B to be below replacement level. I love stats that I can UNDERSTAND...definitely don't get how WAR (in any form) is calculated.
Kin
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donkeyy0 said:
WAR explained
That's the reading. There are the different calculations for position players and pitchers there as well. dWAR uses Defensive Runs Saved and they list the various factors under the position player calculation. In very, very shorthand it's mainly not numbers in/numbers out. The factors tend to be the result of observation/analysis of each play and assigning defensive grades for those plays, then figuring out a cumulative score.
There's still a lot of subjectiveness that goes into it and because of all of the variables at work I think it's fair to say that something like dWAR shouldn't be used in a single year to "prove" any point other than, well, what a player's defensive metrics were that year and maybe say that a player had a bad defensive year that year(as opposed to saying that they're a bad defensive player).
maplesyrup
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Fingers crossed for Bautista this AM. :-\
bustaheims
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TML fan said:
Yeah. It didn't look good. If he's gone for more than a week or two, it's time to start selling.
Corn Flake
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L K said:
From what I heard, Gose has been tearing it up and Snider has been pretty "meh".
L K said:
I'm not really following the jays, but I did hear something on the fan a few days ago saying that the Jays won't call up Snider this year to give him at least 1 full year in 1 league. Apparently he hasn't played a full season in any league since 2008 or something like that.
hockeyfan1
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Taking a good look at the WAR/baseball metrics chart, judging from the top 20 hitters & pitchers that they've compiled statistics for, from past to present, the "Bambino" Babe Ruth (hitters category), and Cy Young (pitchers category) hold steady at the top.
#1PilarFan
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That's true, but that's not terribly uncommon. Especially for a guy like Snider who has more or less who has gone between AAA and the majors for the past couple of seasons.Joe S. said:
I think it's more likely that they've identified something wrong in his swing mechanics that they believe he can fix in AAA and they won't call him up until they're confident he's changed his approach.