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2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

Corn Flake said:
Nik V. Debs said:
Corn Flake said:
And yes it's not saying they are absolutely the final two... it's just a rumor from a source I don't know anything about.
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For what it's worth I think Olney is one of the more respected guys in the business.

edit: And honestly I'd be a little disappointed if it were one of those two guys. Neither guy is awful or anything but it definitely seems like they're both guys who are safe, unspectacular choices.
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I don't know a lot about either, or most of any of the other candidates but yeah... dull choices sure seems to be what those two would be.

Matt Williams is a guy I hoped to see on the finalist list. Not that I know he can do the job but if a Manager's playing days are any indication of how he would manage a team, I think he'd be great.
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Well I guess he'd be Cabrera's choice anyway; he must have alot of 'perfomance helping' contacts...I mean tips ;)
 
Bob Mccown said on his show a while ago that Toronto is Joe Torre's favourite road city, and that he's been known to come here even during the off-season with his wife to visit.

One could only imagine.
 
Nik V. Debs said:
Has there ever, in the history of baseball, been a manager who was effective in his 70's?
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Jack McKeon won the world series with the Marlins in 2003 at the ripe old age of 72 but I would say he's more the exception than the rule.

I don't want a 70 year-old for the next manager.
 
The more I think about it, the more I feel Acta would be my choice.

* Dominican connection
* Expos/AA connection
* Coached Reyes in NY I believe
* Has the experience AA is believed to be looking for.


 
Nik V. Debs said:
Has there ever, in the history of baseball, been a manager who was effective in his 70's?
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Does age matter? I don't think it does. As long as he has a track record and the energy to properly do the job I don't see why age is a factor. Joe Torre at 65 is okay but Joe Torre at 72 isn't?
 
Who will it be?  Riggleman, Tracy, Wallach, Williams, Wakamatsu?

These are the names the Jays have reportedly spoken to about the managerial position.  Now it's anyone's guess which one they will choose, or, some other that the media has not mentioned.
The fact that they appear close to signing someone may mean any of the above names.

We wait and see.
 
dm_for_pm said:
Jack McKeon won the world series with the Marlins in 2003 at the ripe old age of 72 but I would say he's more the exception than the rule.

I don't want a 70 year-old for the next manager.
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I forgot about McKeon but, yeah, I agree. The thing about managing is that there's no way to know if someone can do the job without actually giving it to them and so a guy like Cox or Torre, who might feel as though they're up to it, might feel different after months of cross-country flights and extra innings games.

I really like the idea of Manny Acta though.
 
Rob L said:
I just took a bet (2/1 odds) the Jays make at least a wild card. Think I'm good?
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It really is only two weeks into the off-season. Tomorrow the Yankees could announce they've signed Grienke, Hamilton and Sasquatch.
 
I understand the AA/Expos link, and I also understand the Latino contingent of the Jays, but how do you look at Manny Acta's brief coaching career and conclude that he's anything more than a guy who gets the minimum out of his teams?  Sure, Cleveland and Washington weren't great rosters, but he produced poor results with poor teams.  Is that really enough to conclude that he'll be able to manage a team in a higher stakes division, against higher stakes competition, with higher stakes expectations?
 
L K said:
I understand the AA/Expos link, and I also understand the Latino contingent of the Jays, but how do you look at Manny Acta's brief coaching career and conclude that he's anything more than a guy who gets the minimum out of his teams? Sure, Cleveland and Washington weren't great rosters, but he produced poor results with poor teams.  Is that really enough to conclude that he'll be able to manage a team in a higher stakes division, against higher stakes competition, with higher stakes expectations?
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I don't. Nor do I look at any of the other names mentioned and come to that conclusion.
 
L K said:
I understand the AA/Expos link, and I also understand the Latino contingent of the Jays, but how do you look at Manny Acta's brief coaching career and conclude that he's anything more than a guy who gets the minimum out of his teams?  Sure, Cleveland and Washington weren't great rosters, but he produced poor results with poor teams.  Is that really enough to conclude that he'll be able to manage a team in a higher stakes division, against higher stakes competition, with higher stakes expectations?
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I think that just as a rule Managers tend to coach teams to their level of talent. I don't think Acta's any better or worse than anyone else in that sense.

There's no way to reliably conclude how any manager will do and I don't think it matters much ultimately. Acta is, however, young, bilingual and makes reference to things like BABIP and WPA.

 
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1m Buster Olney Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
Manny Acta has been strongly reviewed by Jays, who are expected to soon announce their manager.

Let's see.
 
Rob L said:
L K said:
I understand the AA/Expos link, and I also understand the Latino contingent of the Jays, but how do you look at Manny Acta's brief coaching career and conclude that he's anything more than a guy who gets the minimum out of his teams? Sure, Cleveland and Washington weren't great rosters, but he produced poor results with poor teams.  Is that really enough to conclude that he'll be able to manage a team in a higher stakes division, against higher stakes competition, with higher stakes expectations?
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I don't. Nor do I look at any of the other names mentioned and come to that conclusion.
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That's kind of the problem if you look at it like that.

Are there any managers available with a successful track record that aren't considered too old to manage? Managers with great careers tend to have great teams and stick with their franchises and they don't tend to be unemployed too often or for too long.
 
#1PilarFan said:
Are there any managers available with a successful track record that aren't considered too old to manage? Managers with great careers tend to have great teams and stick with their franchises and they don't tend to be unemployed too often or for too long.
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I guess part of the shame of the way the whole Farrell thing, and the timing of the Blue Jays improvements, played out is that Francona was off the market. He's the only guy who comes to mind like that.
 
Derk said:
Interesting article here talking about broken verbal promises to Reyes and Buehrle about being traded.
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Well, as the great Yogi Berra said, those verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Although that said, I think the Marlins' President said something sad but true about that. Free agents follow the money. I'm sure any number of teams would have been happy to give Reyes/Buehrle a NTC but fewer years/less money.
 
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