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2014/15 Roster moves thread

bustaheims said:
Just for the sake of accuracy, the 7th round pick in the Frattin trade is conditional - though, not knowing the conditions doesn't really make it clear as to whether or not the Leafs will end up without that pick. If it's a games played or performance based condition, it's unlikely it gets met.

That is true, and the fact that I don't know what the conditions are is the only reason I didn't bring it up.  It honestly could have been something as small as "D'Amigo doesn't make camp" or "Frattin makes camp" or "Frattin signs an extension".  Who knows?  Usually something gets out by now to indicate what those conditions were.
 
Mirtle did tweet about the conditions:

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle  Jul 8
Leafs included a conditional seventh round pick in trade for Matt Frattin. The condition? Columbus gets the pick if they don't keep D'Amigo.

So since Columbus re-signed D'Amigo the Leafs didn't give up the pick.
 
bustaheims said:
Just for the sake of accuracy, the 7th round pick in the Frattin trade is conditional - though, not knowing the conditions doesn't really make it clear as to whether or not the Leafs will end up without that pick. If it's a games played or performance based condition, it's unlikely it gets met.

I recall reading a tweet from Mirtle that suggested CBJ only got the pick if D'Amigo wasn't signed. He was signed, so no pick. I can't find the tweet to link to though.
 
While I wasn't crazy about the trade, it's pretty telling that Columbus has used 18 different forwards this season (plus Dubinsky and Horton haven't played a game) and D'Amigo still hasn't seen any action with them. Even his AHL numbers are pretty lackluster so far this season.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Mirtle did tweet about the conditions:

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle  Jul 8
Leafs included a conditional seventh round pick in trade for Matt Frattin. The condition? Columbus gets the pick if they don't keep D'Amigo.

So since Columbus re-signed D'Amigo the Leafs didn't give up the pick.

I'm not sure. That "keep" might just be Mirtle speak for re-sign, but, it could also mean keep on the NHL roster (they didn't) or keep in the organization for the full season (yet to be decided). Without that clarification, it's still kind of up in the air.
 
bustaheims said:
I'm not sure. That "keep" might just be Mirtle speak for re-sign, but, it could also mean keep on the NHL roster (they didn't) or keep in the organization for the full season (yet to be decided). Without that clarification, it's still kind of up in the air.

Sorry, he did clarify later that he meant re-sign.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
I'm not sure. That "keep" might just be Mirtle speak for re-sign, but, it could also mean keep on the NHL roster (they didn't) or keep in the organization for the full season (yet to be decided). Without that clarification, it's still kind of up in the air.

Sorry, he did clarify later that he meant re-sign.

Ahh. Okay. Never mind, then.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
While I wasn't crazy about the trade, it's pretty telling that Columbus has used 18 different forwards this season (plus Dubinsky and Horton haven't played a game) and D'Amigo still hasn't seen any action with them. Even his AHL numbers are pretty lackluster so far this season.

I don't get the heartburn over D'Amigo. He's in the same class as Frattin. Borderline at best.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I don't get the heartburn over D'Amigo. He's in the same class as Frattin. Borderline at best.

Right now yeah they're both non-NHLers. But at the time it looked like D'Amigo would have been a speedy 4th line guy who could kill penalties. Those players are still a dime a dozen but we traded him for a forward 3 years older who basically couldn't crack two NHL rosters last season and didn't really fit in the line-up anywhere just for nostalgia reasons.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I don't get the heartburn over D'Amigo. He's in the same class as Frattin. Borderline at best.

Right now yeah they're both non-NHLers. But at the time it looked like D'Amigo would have been a speedy 4th line guy who could kill penalties. Those players are still a dime a dozen but we traded him for a forward 3 years older who basically couldn't crack two NHL rosters last season and didn't really fit in the line-up anywhere just for nostalgia reasons.

Yes, it was a pointless trade.  But nothing to get worked up over IMO.  What bugs me about it is that they should be trading for centers.  Not that they'll likely snag another Holland, but they need to shore up the position up and down the system.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I don't get the heartburn over D'Amigo. He's in the same class as Frattin. Borderline at best.

Right now yeah they're both non-NHLers. But at the time it looked like D'Amigo would have been a speedy 4th line guy who could kill penalties. Those players are still a dime a dozen but we traded him for a forward 3 years older who basically couldn't crack two NHL rosters last season and didn't really fit in the line-up anywhere just for nostalgia reasons.

Yes, it was a pointless trade.  But nothing to get worked up over IMO.  What bugs me about it is that they should be trading for centers.  Not that they'll likely snag another Holland, but they need to shore up the position up and down the system.

The farm has a number of 3rd and 4th line center who in the near future should be in the nhl.  D'Amigo or Frattin are not going to help TML with getting a 1st or 2nd line center. So it is all a mood point.
 
As you know I am a Frattin fan. He has shown what he has the potential to do.  I advocated this two weeks ago, let him go to the Marlies and see if he can refind his mojo.  Nothing really lost if he doesn't, but there have been many cases in sports history where a young guy loses his confidence (due to injury or some other problem), has a chance to refind themselves and contributes in a big way. I like Cinderella storys so lets hope that the Frattin can be unleashed once again.
I have a feeling Calgary may pick him up as Burke fought for this guy.
 
Mirtle rips into Diamond Dave for his roster moves:

Just shy of six years into his tenure with the franchise, Nonis has managed to somehow stay relatively unscathed. But starting initially as Brian Burke?s right hand man, then on his own, and now under Brendan Shanahan, he has been a key figure in Toronto?s demise, making critical errors that continue to cost the organization dearly.

The seven-year, $36.75-million (U.S.) deal given to a one-dimensional third-line player in David Clarkson in the summer of 2013 should have been a fireable offence on its own, given the ramifications it will have on the Leafs? salary cap situation for years.

The contract is immense and probably unmovable, and the real kicker is Nonis tried to double down on Mimico-bred talent by giving a similar contract to Dave Bolland in the summer.

(Mercifully, Bolland landed in Florida, where he has spent the season sidelined with yet another injury.)

With two boat anchors like that, it?s hard to imagine how Shanahan could ever plow his way out.

As it is, it won?t be easy. The Leafs may be mediocre and in the no man?s land that?s between contention and the league basement, but they?ve also committed huge dollars to that mediocrity.

They have more than $54-million already on the books for 15 players next season, meaning simply retaining this lot will be difficult.

Adding talent? Good luck.

Nonis has done a good job of preaching patience publicly since he took over for Burke, but if you look at some of the moves he has either made or intended to make, they?re at odds with a patient, youth-oriented approach.

How on earth would dedicating 15 per cent of one?s cap long-term to near-30-year-olds Clarkson and Bolland be considered patient?

Or giving a three-year deal to 37-year-old free-agent defenceman St?phane Robidas? Or trading 27-year-old Cody Franson for 30-year-old Josh Gorges?

Or letting a cheaper, younger and better player than Clarkson like Clarke MacArthur walk to a rival?

On and on the list goes, if you go back far and deep enough.

?You can do a lot of damage to the long-term success of your team by overreacting,? Nonis said at one point on Wednesday.

You can also do a lot of damage by trying to stay the course with a strategy that?s clearly not working.

The reality is the Leafs don?t so much need patience as they need vision. Turning some of the flotsam on this roster over and the team into a contender will take several seasons of careful restructuring and strategic manoeuvres, and Nonis has demonstrated several times over that?s not his strength.

To get better ? significantly better ? they actually have to dynamite some of what he?s done, pushing out the bad contracts (Clarkson, Tyler Bozak, Dion Phaneuf et al.) for what might be little return to free up salary and keep what there is of value.

Shanahan has his work cut out for him, and he may need a GM without ties to what?s there.

Nonis escapes criticism for a lot of reasons these days. For one, he?s a genuinely decent man, one with a lot of friends in hockey and the media. He networks well, and he networked his way somehow into a five-year contract extension mere weeks after the Clarkson abomination was signed.

Nonis is also now no longer in charge, having been bumped down by Shanahan?s hiring in April, making him less of a threat.

But if we?re ascribing blame for where the Leafs are, Nonis belongs there with Carlyle, especially given he backed his coach all the way ? including in how he reformed the roster.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/mirtle-leafs-gm-dave-nonis-has-been-a-key-figure-in-the-teams-demise/article21664518/
 
Yes it is quite an indictment. Perhaps Dave has grown his facial hair to go incognito. He may be able to escape the country with that look.
 
Frattin has cleared waivers and will be on his way to the Marlies.

Kontiola has also been placed on waivers for the purposes of terminating his contract. He played 11 games with the Marlies and went pointless in all of them.
 
Glad Frattin cleared?you gotta feel for Kontiola, the guy paid out his contract to around 600K for the opportunity. Tough way for the NHL dream to die.
 
Too bad about Kontiola. He had good KHL numbers and pretty good AHL numbers in his first North American stint. Oh well.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Frattin has cleared waivers and will be on his way to the Marlies.

Kontiola has also been placed on waivers for the purposes of terminating his contract. He played 11 games with the Marlies and went pointless in all of them.

That's pretty crazy considering his past AHL numbers.  The Marlies have been terrible though.
 
Highlander said:
Glad Frattin cleared?you gotta feel for Kontiola, the guy paid out his contract to around 600K for the opportunity. Tough way for the NHL dream to die.

I would liked to seen Kontiola and Komarov for just a couple of games. Oh well.
 
bustaheims said:
Too bad about Kontiola. He has good KHL numbers and pretty good AHL numbers in his first North American stint. Oh well.

Marlies coach was very complimentary of him earlier saying he was making other players better and that the points would come. He was even working with Underhill on his skating before practices. I'm a little surprised he didn't try to put this decision off for a little longer.
 

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