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2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread

Although now I've confused myself a little bit. Mirtle says that the Leafs are at 50 contracts, and that he's 100% sure of that.

That would mean that Nylander's contract would have only started counting against the list when he returned to North America. Because if it counted while he was in Sweden the Leafs would have been over 50 contracts before November 20th when Kontiola's contract was terminated.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
Couldn't they just release either guy?
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Contract terminations have to be mutually agreed upon. Those guys aren't giving up what's left of their final NHL contracts.
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But that doesn't even make sense. The whole point of the 50 contract limit, the way I understood it, is to not let teams stash players. If you released those guys, and kept paying them whatever they were owed, then it wouldn't have cap implications and nobody would be being stashed.

The NHL has, by far, the dumbest CBA in sports.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Although now I've confused myself a little bit. Mirtle says that the Leafs are at 50 contracts, and that he's 100% sure of that.

That would mean that Nylander's contract would have only started counting against the list when he returned to North America. Because if it counted while he was in Sweden the Leafs would have been over 50 contracts before November 20th when Kontiola's contract was terminated.
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Would it be the same as any other Jr.-aged player signed?  Until he plays in NHL or AHL or is on the roster the contract wouldn't count?  So he had a contract with the Swedish team like a jr. player would have with their team - then when the release was triggered and he came to the AHL then it began to count.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Although now I've confused myself a little bit. Mirtle says that the Leafs are at 50 contracts, and that he's 100% sure of that.

That would mean that Nylander's contract would have only started counting against the list when he returned to North America. Because if it counted while he was in Sweden the Leafs would have been over 50 contracts before November 20th when Kontiola's contract was terminated.
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That is odd. This whole Nylander situation is confusing. We obviously won't get a definitive answer unless they claim someone.
 
Nik the Trik said:
But that doesn't even make sense. The whole point of the 50 contract limit, the way I understood it, is to not let teams stash players. If you released those guys, and kept paying them whatever they were owed, then it wouldn't have cap implications and nobody would be being stashed.

The NHL has, by far, the dumbest CBA in sports.
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It's so teams can't just get out of contracts like LA would like to do with Richards right now. They're two unrelated rules. They both make sense on their own, but, put together, and, well, here we are.
 
bustaheims said:
That is odd. This whole Nylander situation is confusing. We obviously won't get a definitive answer unless they claim someone.
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I'm assuming Mirtle got that information from somebody within the Leafs front office, I doubt he  would post that if he didn't confirm it.
 
TML fan said:
Why don't they work out a trade if they want the guy?
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Well, right now, that means finding a team to take on an asset they value less than the player they want to claim off waivers. Otherwise, you risk giving up an asset and not end up with the player they want because someone else claimed them. That could be difficult. If they clear, they might be able to swing that kind of deal, but, that's a tomorrow issue.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm assuming Mirtle got that information from somebody within the Leafs front office, I doubt he  would post that if he didn't confirm it.
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Yeah. He seems pretty confident about it. Still, a confusing situation.
 
bustaheims said:
Well, right now, that means finding a team to take on an asset they value less than the player they want to claim off waivers. Otherwise, you risk giving up an asset and not end up with the player they want because someone else claimed them. That could be difficult. If they clear, they might be able to swing that kind of deal, but, that's a tomorrow issue.
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Olsen has an extra year on his contract. If he clears the Panthers might be inclined to do a Holzer-Olsen swap as Holzer is an expiring contract. That way they won't be paying a $700k defencemen in the AHL next season.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Olsen has an extra year on his contract. If he clears the Panthers might be inclined to do a Holzer-Olsen swap as Holzer is an expiring contract. That way they won't be paying a $700k defencemen in the AHL next season.
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$850K next season, apparently, and doesn't appear to be a two-way deal. They could certainly be open to that kind of deal if they don't think he has a future with them. I wonder if maybe they'd prefer someone like Marshall, though - a little cheaper, still an RFA in the summer and wouldn't have to clear waivers to send to their AHL team.
 
bustaheims said:
It's so teams can't just get out of contracts like LA would like to do with Richards right now. They're two unrelated rules. They both make sense on their own, but, put together, and, well, here we are.
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Except what I'm talking about, an outright release, wouldn't amount to "getting out of" anything. The player would still have to be paid and would still count against the cap and LA would have to weigh the value of giving up on Mike Richards for good(tiny) against adding a 50th contract if they needed the space(also minimal). There'd be no point to doing it in LA outside of something like this where they could add a 50th contract.

 
CarltonTheBear said:
I was actually somewhat impressed when I saw that a sen was leading rookies in goal until I realized that he was 25 years old.
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I was looking at those numbers the other night, and, it occurred to me, Mike Hoffman's Cy Young calibre numbers remind me of someone very familiar. Someone else who doesn't seem to be able to create a lot of offence at the NHL level, but has, at times in his career, put up respectable goal totals thanks to an inflated shooting percentage . . .
 
Man, I think if someone had asked me if he was still in the league this year I'd have gotten it wrong.
 
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