2015-16 Prospects Thread

[rdowdall]

"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

He can be loaned out to Europe if the team wants, it'd be highly unusual though. I actually brought up this scenario a few days ago, didn't get much traction then as I recall.

Having him play for a Frolunda or Modo does sound intriguing if they want to keep him out of the NHL.

Except I think the problem there is that if Marner is more or less ready to play in the NHL from a physical perspective(play, mind, not dominate) then it's hard to see the upside in sending him to play with worse teammates, not under the eye of our very expensive coaching/front office staff and where his ice time will be determined by a European team that, presumably, is primarily interested in winning their games.

If he was loaned to the SEL for the season, could he be recalled ala Nylander to play on the Marlies after a half season?

My thinking on it was that he might be too good for the OHL but maybe not quite ready for the grind of the NHL. The SEL would represent an opportunity to play against men, but in a league where it may not be as physically taxing.

I'm sure they'd give him plenty of ice the same as Nylander, but your point about the benefit of the coaching staff in Toronto is very good.

 

[Kin]

I'm sure they'd give him plenty of ice the same as Nylander, but your point about the benefit of the coaching staff in Toronto is very good.

I'm not sure about that. Nylander earned his ice-time there by virtue of scoring at a rate that established himself as one of the better players on the team. How sure are we that Marner would be one of the better players on a SEL team if we're also assuming he couldn't even hack it in the NHL to the point that even being around would ultimately be bad for his development? What if he doesn't hit the ground running? Lots of good NHL players have to be scratched as young players. Do we want a Swedish organization/coaches making those sorts of decisions?

Likewise, Marner would face some day-to-day challenges in Sweden/Europe that Nylander didn't, namely adjusting to a foreign country and unfamiliar surroundings. It strikes me like it presents just as many, if not more, difficulties for a young player.

I guess it just seems to me like there's such a narrow sliver of upside to sending him to Europe when keeping him around and maybe doing what the Oilers did with Draisatl last year seems like it has the best of both worlds. The OHL can be a failsafe option if he establishes he can't play in the NHL

 

[Tigger]

"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

 

[rdowdall]

"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.

 

[L K]

The OHL is eliminating the goaltending rule that a 20 year goaltender counts as one of your three overage players.  Good move.

I know that the rules are in place to make it so that the OHL doesn't have exclusively feeder program status, but it does bother me that the rules are any player under 20 must play in the NHL or OHL.  I don't mind the year after being drafted rule, but if a player has competed 3 (or even 4 OHL seasons if they were a failed exemption status player) they shoudn't be forced to play in a league they aren't appropriate for.  It's junior hockey.  Players bypass age requirements to skip inferior leagues when they are above the talent level of the league.  Hell, the exemption status program allows a 15 year old to play in the OHL.  Mandating adults to stay in a kids league is dumb.

 

[Tigger]

"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.

It's from The Wire, when Herc was asking a lot of questions.

 

[Deebo]

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=169220

D Andrew Neilson has equaled his point total from last season, in less than half the games. 7G 14A in both seasons but in 23GP this year vs. 59 last year.

 

[rdowdall]

"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.

It's from The Wire, when Herc was asking a lot of questions.

I see.  Never watched The Wire. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.

It's from The Wire, when Herc was asking a lot of questions.

I see.  Never watched The Wire.

Go, go now and do it.

Nik, good points, the Draisitl approach is a good idea.

 

[bustaheims]

I guess it just seems to me like there's such a narrow sliver of upside to sending him to Europe when keeping him around and maybe doing what the Oilers did with Draisatl last year seems like it has the best of both worlds. The OHL can be a failsafe option if he establishes he can't play in the NHL

Yeah, I agree. As far as I'm concerned, the 10 game mark for Marner next season doesn't really matter. If he's good enough, he'll be up for the whole season, any way. If he's not, burning a year of his contract just means his next one probably comes in a little cheaper. The important milestone is game 40. If he crosses that, it counts as an accrued season towards free agency, and it would mean he'd become a UFA at 26 instead of 27. Even though it's only a single season difference, it's enough for the team to set the decision point before he plays that 40th game of the season.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I guess it just seems to me like there's such a narrow sliver of upside to sending him to Europe when keeping him around and maybe doing what the Oilers did with Draisatl last year seems like it has the best of both worlds. The OHL can be a failsafe option if he establishes he can't play in the NHL

Yeah, I agree. As far as I'm concerned, the 10 game mark for Marner next season doesn't really matter. If he's good enough, he'll be up for the whole season, any way. If he's not, burning a year of his contract just means his next one probably comes in a little cheaper. The important milestone is game 40. If he crosses that, it counts as an accrued season towards free agency, and it would mean he'd become a UFA at 26 instead of 27. Even though it's only a single season difference, it's enough for the team to set the decision point before he plays that 40th game of the season.

Yeah, I saw McKenzie use this as a reference point for when Nylander would be potentially recalled too, he speculated it'd be early January in that case.

 

[L K]

I think Marner is becoming a bit of a liability as a prospect.  He doesn't appear to be able to score more than 3 points in a game.  3 points last night.

42 points in 20 games on the year.  35 points in his last 14 games.

 

[Highlander]

Your right LK, if he can't score up to 5 or 6 points per game?useless?.totally useless.

 

[Tigger]

Nylander benched during yesterdays game, anyone see it? Apparently he was pretty bad, looks like he's playing today though.

 

[L K]

Marner finished with 8 points in 3 games over the weekend for the Knights.
7G 20A 27P in 10 games in November

 

[Omallley]

Marner finished with 8 points in 3 games over the weekend for the Knights.
7G 20A 27P in 10 games in November

On a 16 game point streak, too.

I wonder how much he's benefiting from Tkachuk and Dvorak's play? (Or vice versa, for that matter).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Marner and Dermott have been named to the WJC selection camp.

 

[Kin]

I'd guess Marner is a lock with Dermott being a longshot?

 

[bustaheims]

I'd guess Marner is a lock with Dermott being a longshot?

Dermott is the 2nd highest scoring dman in the OHL, so I don't know if I'd call him a longshot. He's probably in that middle group that's not a lock but has a legit shot of making the team.