2015 NHL Entry Draft

[L K]

Can we get a consensus on who the Leafs should pick at #4 if Strome goes to Edmonton?

Which brings up another question: would the oilers really pass on Hanifin and pick Strome when they are in desperate need of quality defensemen, and after they have drafted mostly offensive players with their top 5 selections over the years?

Who would the Leafs pick... Hanifin, Marner, Crouse...others?

Just based on what I've read (and I've done quite a bit recently) I'd go with Hanifin. A Reilly-Hanifin duo would be outstanding. Hanifin sounds like the real deal.

I'd be pleased as punch with Marner too. It'll be one of those two, I'm sure of that.

I honestly expect Hanifin to have a similar rookie season to Ekblad.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

 

[ZBBM]

Can we get a consensus on who the Leafs should pick at #4 if Strome goes to Edmonton?

Which brings up another question: would the oilers really pass on Hanifin and pick Strome when they are in desperate need of quality defensemen, and after they have drafted mostly offensive players with their top 5 selections over the years?

Who would the Leafs pick... Hanifin, Marner, Crouse...others?

Just based on what I've read (and I've done quite a bit recently) I'd go with Hanifin. A Reilly-Hanifin duo would be outstanding. Hanifin sounds like the real deal.

I'd be pleased as punch with Marner too. It'll be one of those two, I'm sure of that.

I honestly expect Hanifin to have a similar rookie season to Ekblad.

I'd go with Hanifin.  Defense wins champeenships, and the like.

 

[bustaheims]

I'd go with Hanifin.  Defense wins champeenships, and the like.

Sure, but defence is a team-wide responsibility, and having a 1st line center that helps your team control the puck is more valuable in that cause than a defencemen. The top line center is the more valuable asset, and by a fair margin.

 

[L K]

I'd go with Hanifin.  Defense wins champeenships, and the like.

Sure, but defence is a team-wide responsibility, and having a 1st line center that helps your team control the puck is more valuable in that cause than a defencemen. The top line center is the more valuable asset, and by a fair margin.

I might argue that a 30 minute a night defenseman would be more valuable, but that's just me.  Not that I'm implying that Hanifin will necessarily be that kind of 30 minute a night Shea Weber type of force.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.

 

[L K]

Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.

Hit to the head.  Kurtis MacDermid got suspended 8 games for the hit on Domi.  Mason Marchment is suspended indefinitely at this point for the injury to Marner.  Marchment pretty much crosschecked Marner in the face.

Hit on Domi: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/37fbe6b9593527f56ac79f2f35d895e5
Hit on Marner: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/671cf421150fcd829189d8dc24bf4691

Both are suffering concussion-like symptoms.  The Marner one drives me nuts as the ref watches the play and doesn't do anything.

 

[Lynx]

Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.

That's gotta just about be the end of the series then.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

 

[Redleaf]

McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

The Leafs should select him if he's still available at 4.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.

Hit to the head.  Kurtis MacDermid got suspended 8 games for the hit on Domi.  Mason Marchment is suspended indefinitely at this point for the injury to Marner.  Marchment pretty much crosschecked Marner in the face.

Hit on Domi: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/37fbe6b9593527f56ac79f2f35d895e5
Hit on Marner: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/671cf421150fcd829189d8dc24bf4691

Both are suffering concussion-like symptoms.  The Marner one drives me nuts as the ref watches the play and doesn't do anything.

Wow, those were both pretty brutal plays.  Has Mason been watching old videos of his dad playing?

 

[bustaheims]

I might argue that a 30 minute a night defenseman would be more valuable, but that's just me.  Not that I'm implying that Hanifin will necessarily be that kind of 30 minute a night Shea Weber type of force.

30 minute defencemen aren't a real thing, though. There are guys that can play that much sometimes, but no one plays that much on a regular basis - at least, not on a team that's successful in any way. A 1st line centre generally has more impact on the play when they're on the ice. They're going to have a greater influence on the team's offensive production and can have as significant an impact on the team's defence.

 

[ZBBM]

I might argue that a 30 minute a night defenseman would be more valuable, but that's just me.  Not that I'm implying that Hanifin will necessarily be that kind of 30 minute a night Shea Weber type of force.

30 minute defencemen aren't a real thing, though. There are guys that can play that much sometimes, but no one plays that much on a regular basis - at least, not on a team that's successful in any way. A 1st line centre generally has more impact on the play when they're on the ice. They're going to have a greater influence on the team's offensive production and can have as significant an impact on the team's defence.

Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

 

[bustaheims]

Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

The Leafs should select him if he's still available at 4.

 

[ZBBM]

Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.

OK, but I think your obsession leads to an impression that scoring repression comes not through aggression or blueline compression or +/? transgression but instead a succession of puckish possession.  This may be digression but I must offer confession that all this has left me with manic depression.

 

[bustaheims]

Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.

OK, but I think your obsession leads to an impression that scoring repression comes not through aggression or blueline compression or +/? transgression but instead a succession of puckish possession.  This may be digression but I must offer confession that all this has left me with manic depression.

I appreciate your concession.

 

[Redleaf]

Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.

I agree completely. While many here are saying its a long process, we shouldn t worry too much about drafting by position, you never know if we get a second chance at drafting a center in the top five again for this rebuild.

 

[Al14]

McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

The Leafs should select him if he's still available at 4.

There would have to be a HUGE 3 team brain fart for that to happen!

 

[Kessel Run]

Healey suggesting the Leafs may pick Crouse....ugghhhh