Lynx said:
Well, they'd be wrong.
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Well, they'd be wrong.
CarltonTheBear said:
The problem with taking about the greatest players ever is it is 100% subjective. In my opinion, there are five clear cut, elite, all time skaters (Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux, Richard). Those five, in my mind, are so far above everybody else that whoever is #6 doesn't even matter. I don't even know who it would be. Messier? Lafleur? Hull? Bossy? Crosby? The case to be made for anybody at #6 is equally as strong as any of the others.
The problem comes when people (fans or media) start acting like Crosby is in the class of the top five, and he just isn't. The second large group, sure, and it would be impossible to say subjectively whether he belongs at the top or bottom of that group. A case could be made either way. But he doesn't come close to touching that top five.
Again my opinion, if yours is different your welcome to it, just explaining why not everybody joins the love fest for him.
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Lynx said:
So those people base their opinion of him not on anything he does or says but on what other people say about him? That he has absolutely no control over? And that takes precedence over the things he actually says and does which includes one of the greatest ever goals in Canadian hockey history?
That doesn't go very far to making me understand people who think that way.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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I'd have Ovechkin in my top 5 all-time, his score adjusted stats are incredible.
I live in Nova Scotia, so the Crosby hype is very strong here.
I agree he is a great player and he seems to be a great guy and I like him.
But my son is one of those guys that hates him. I think it's mostly because he just gets hyped too much. Nobody could be worthy of the hype that he gets. It's not really Sid's fault, but it does get annoying sometimes.
I agree he is a great player and he seems to be a great guy and I like him.
But my son is one of those guys that hates him. I think it's mostly because he just gets hyped too much. Nobody could be worthy of the hype that he gets. It's not really Sid's fault, but it does get annoying sometimes.
Kin
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Patrick said:
I don't see how Jagr isn't clearly on anyone's list of all-time elites. He's going to finish at least top 4 in career points and would easily be 2nd if not for his time in the KHL. 5 Art Ross trophies(including one where he played 63 games), Multiple Lindsay Awards, Two cups, Olympic Gold...
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Nik the Trik said:
I agree, I think those five years away, probably years where he would have been fairly dominant, have hurt his stock with some.
GhostofPotvin29
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Patrick said:
Played a lot of time in a lower scoring era too.
dappleganger
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I wonder how different Gretzky's career would have been if he were drafted by the Colorado Rockies instead of being allowed to stay with the Oilers.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
Also, add in the time he missed thanks to 3 lockouts, and, yeah, he'd definitely be 2nd all time in points, and possibly challenging Gretzky's goal totals.
hockeyfan1
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All the Crosby hate is getting to be ridiculous. First of all, he's not the greatest player that ever was, is, or will be.
He was (and still is) a cut above others and was phenomenal in his junior days. What established Crosby apart from other young NHLers when he entered the league was his style of play namely his passing/scoring and generally making things happen for his team (Pittsburgh). He reminded people of a bit of Gretzky -- being in the right place at the right time and passing the puck where the player is supposed to be.
People saw talent and still do. Hype or overhype is part of the selling point of a franchise player or one of the league's elite.
Those who don't understand why Crosby is marketed as such also don't understand his talents that he has shown when things counted -- his Stanley Cup win, the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympic Games OT Gold medal winning goal, the 2014 Sochi Winter Games ( key goal in the eventual Gold victory), his earlier accomplishments in the NHL, etc., etc.
Or, maybe people are very jealous. That's their problem.
I liked Crosby and still do. Nothing wrong with that.
He was (and still is) a cut above others and was phenomenal in his junior days. What established Crosby apart from other young NHLers when he entered the league was his style of play namely his passing/scoring and generally making things happen for his team (Pittsburgh). He reminded people of a bit of Gretzky -- being in the right place at the right time and passing the puck where the player is supposed to be.
People saw talent and still do. Hype or overhype is part of the selling point of a franchise player or one of the league's elite.
Those who don't understand why Crosby is marketed as such also don't understand his talents that he has shown when things counted -- his Stanley Cup win, the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympic Games OT Gold medal winning goal, the 2014 Sochi Winter Games ( key goal in the eventual Gold victory), his earlier accomplishments in the NHL, etc., etc.
Or, maybe people are very jealous. That's their problem.
I liked Crosby and still do. Nothing wrong with that.
hockeyfan1
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Canada defeated Latvia 6-1 lead by Jason Spezza' s three points and by Captain Sydney Crosby who had two points. Matt Duchene, Tyler Toffoli, and Nathan McKinnon were the other scorers.
The hapless Latvians tried but couldn't handle Team Canada's adept attack, though not all was easy-going, as some sloppy play led to Canada's 'keeper Mike Smith having to come to the fore.
For a team that was quickly put together, the Canadians fared very well.
We?re so new to each other, we?re trying to build chemistry,? Spezza said. ?We talked every turn we came to the bench, we tried to figure out our systems, we tried to figure out the big ice, to use these games as building blocks for your team."
Team Canada's next game is Sunday against Team Germany.
Source: theGlobeandMail Sports
The hapless Latvians tried but couldn't handle Team Canada's adept attack, though not all was easy-going, as some sloppy play led to Canada's 'keeper Mike Smith having to come to the fore.
For a team that was quickly put together, the Canadians fared very well.
We?re so new to each other, we?re trying to build chemistry,? Spezza said. ?We talked every turn we came to the bench, we tried to figure out our systems, we tried to figure out the big ice, to use these games as building blocks for your team."
Team Canada's next game is Sunday against Team Germany.
Source: theGlobeandMail Sports
hockeyfan1
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Other games:
Team USA beat Team Finland 5-1 led by Matt Hendricks' two goals.
Team Russia were 6-2 winners against Norway, and Team Sweden defeated Team Czech Republic 6-5 (shootout).
Source: CBCsports
Team USA beat Team Finland 5-1 led by Matt Hendricks' two goals.
Team Russia were 6-2 winners against Norway, and Team Sweden defeated Team Czech Republic 6-5 (shootout).
Source: CBCsports
OldTimeHockey
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Bullfrog said:
Quit talking logical and stuff.
I mean, there's been close to 6000 players to suit up for an NHL team...Being top 10 is okay, but man, he's not great.
OldTimeHockey said:
I'm pretty sure my first post called him phenomenal and the best of his generation. Would you like me to add the word great?
The problem isn't his talent. The only knock on his talent I said was that he wasn't as good as the very best to ever play the game. I don't know where he falls, top 10, top 25, or top 50. I just know he isn't in the very top class.
The question was why people don't like him. I've heard too many people seriously compare him to Gretzky and the like to be able to like him. It's not his fault, but it's not the Vancouver Canucks fault their fans are idiots either. But it does make new dislike both.
"It's not the band I hate, it's their fans", but it makes you dislike the band by association.