2019-2020 NHL Thread
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bustaheims
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Bates said:
That was never official, and hasn?t been the accepted ?standard? for a long long time. Charging is only penalized for hits that are delivered with unusual or excessive force - and I don?t you can say definitively that hit was delivered with unusual or excessive force when similar hits are thrown on a regular basis.
Deebo said:
Wonder how long his suspension will be for whatever stupid crap he tries to do in that game. He's already openly talked about dishing out more retaliation in their next match-up.
bustaheims
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Bates said:
Disagree. As I said, similar hits are delivered on a regular basis with no penalty. Tkachuk?s feet don?t leave the ice until after contact, and, even then, just barely. He starts from a fully stopped position, so he?s not using his strides to add excessive speed, but to simply to get to a fairly standard speed. It?s a pretty standard hard hit. There?s nothing specifically against the rules there. He didn?t target the head. He doesn?t jump to deliver the hit. He does t stick out an elbow or anything like that. He doesn?t even send Kassian into the boards any harder than a large number of hits thrown in this league. It may be a dangerous hit, but it?s not an illegal one.
bustaheims
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Bates said:
Launching upwards and jumping are very different. One is accepted and one is not. Tkachuk clearly does not jump.
Hobbes
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NHL Rulebook said:
It doesn't help that their definition of a charge references the infraction. "A charge is a charge" isn't all that illuminating. By the rulebook, almost any bodycheck could be called a charge...it's entirely subjective. As a result, it's pointless to say "that was a charge" or "that wasn't a charge" when the only criteria is "did the official(s) on the ice think it was a charge" by whatever internal standard they consider "too violent to just be a regular check."
bustaheims
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Bates said:
His feet don?t leave the ice until AFTER contact is made. That?s pretty standard in today?s game, and doesn?t involve jumping. Just, you know, physics and momentum and such.
Just saw that video for the first time. Sure looks like a predatory/suspendable hit to me. Kassian was in a vulnerable position and Tkachuk took advantage of that, appeared to make head contact as well. Wasn't really all that much of a "charge" and not much if any height off the ice, but still a hit that appears to have intent to injure.Bates said:
Kin
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I still haven't seen anyone in this thread suggest an objective standard by which you could call Tkachuk's hit, or any hit like it in the future, a violation of the NHL's rules.
Saying that in your opinion it appears to be a violation of a subjective standard is fine, and the NHL rulebook clearly allows for that interpretation on the part of their refs, but it not only misses the point it ignores that neither the on ice refs nor the NHL post-hoc thought it was a punishable hit.
Saying that in your opinion it appears to be a violation of a subjective standard is fine, and the NHL rulebook clearly allows for that interpretation on the part of their refs, but it not only misses the point it ignores that neither the on ice refs nor the NHL post-hoc thought it was a punishable hit.
bustaheims
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You just hate to see that happen to such a well respected player. ;D
Kin
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After watching part of that game with the NESN announcers I've decided that as commissioner for a day I'd make it an iron clad rule that all local broadcasts must have a colour analyst who speaks in the most cartoonishly exaggerated local accent possible. "Wicked hahd slap shoht"...
