Allaire won't be back

[Bullfrog]

I believe this is why Cox has been rather easy on the Leafs since Burke was hired.

Huh, you know I never even thought about it but that makes a lot of sense.

Anyways, another question. Supposing all this is true about Allaire, does it strike anyone else as odd that you'd wait until now to make that move?

It's not really that surprising though. I mean, they kept Ron Wilson employed long after he should have been replaced.

 

[Kin]

It's not really that surprising though. I mean, they kept Ron Wilson employed long after he should have been replaced.

Sure, but Ron Wilson wasn't singlehandedly trying to bring the Leafs down from the inside. Francois Allaire, on the other hand, seems to have supplanted Jimmy Carter as history's greatest monster.

 

[hockeyfan1]

...Allaire said he had no intention of altering the way his goalies were playing.

...a commitment to teaching a more aggressive goaltending style.

more here

The above jibes very well with what Allaire wouldn't do according to Burke...

From the article:

Allaire?s approach with his goalies, Burke said, hadn?t altered even though rule changes meant his insistence on the butterfly technique wasn?t working.

?The position has evolved in the last three to five years,? Burke said.  Nobody plays the classic stand-up any more either. Everything advances.?

Rules to minimize obstruction and limit goaltending equipment prompted the evolution of hybrid goalies who retain the solid elements of the butterfly by striving to be square to the shooter and rotating with pads down and body erect during scrums.  Hybrid goalies usually stay on their feet longer and use their hands to snare pucks rather than chance rebounds. Jonathan Quick of the Stanley Cup champion Los Angeles Kings and franchise goalies such as the Rangers Henrik Lundqvist, Dallas goalie Kari Lehtonen and Nashville?s Pekka Rinne are considered hybrid goalies.

 

[caver]

It's not really that surprising though. I mean, they kept Ron Wilson employed long after he should have been replaced.

Sure, but Ron Wilson wasn't singlehandedly trying to bring the Leafs down from the inside. Francois Allaire, on the other hand, seems to have supplanted Jimmy Carter as history's greatest monster.

Now that's funny!  ;D

 

[maplesyrup]

I find this stubbornness at the NHL level pretty surprising.

No organization/company is ego exempt I suppose. It shows that no matter how much talent you have, you have to be able to work as a team/unit (front office included.)   

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

you have to be able to work as a team/unit (front office included.) 

teamunitstore.com

 

[maplesyrup]

yeah, I thought of that right after I hit "post."

 

[Derk]

That article, if it is true, is a bit of a relief. It sounded like there was all this strife within the coaching staff, but it may just have been Allaire being stubborn and not wanting to work with anyone. Best to get that out of the system.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

That article, if it is true, is a bit of a relief. It sounded like there was all this strife within the coaching staff, but it may just have been Allaire being stubborn and not wanting to work with anyone. Best to get that out of the system.

I agree. I don't think people should feel too duped though, I mean, his style won some things and produced a few pretty good goalies.

I agree with Burke, if he can't change on the fly and take advice from his other coaches for the betterment of the team, then he has to go. Burke could have maybe done it a bit quicker, but he's consistent in that he gives people a chance to succeed to a fault sometimes.

 

[armche123]

I believe this is why Cox has been rather easy on the Leafs since Burke was hired.

Huh, you know I never even thought about it but that makes a lot of sense.

Anyways, another question. Supposing all this is true about Allaire, does it strike anyone else as odd that you'd wait until now to make that move?

It's not really that surprising though. I mean, they kept Ron Wilson employed long after he should have been replaced.

Friends and business never mix well

 

[rdowdall]

Maguire was on the Team 1200 this morning.  He said that Burke has a "we are all in this together" mentality with those that work for him and that he brings a lot of heart and passion to the workplace.  Those two things combined mean that he sometimes has to go back on some of the things that he has said.  Once Allaire made his problems with the team public, Burke went in to protection mode. 

This was in response to the question "Pierre, 6 months ago Burke was claiming that Allaire was the greatest goalie coach in the world, and now just yesterday he says that the leafs had a problem with his style.  Can you explain that?"

 

[Bender]

It's not really that surprising though. I mean, they kept Ron Wilson employed long after he should have been replaced.

Sure, but Ron Wilson wasn't singlehandedly trying to bring the Leafs down from the inside. Francois Allaire, on the other hand, seems to have supplanted Jimmy Carter as history's greatest monster.

Best quote ever.

 

[rdowdall]

It's not really that surprising though. I mean, they kept Ron Wilson employed long after he should have been replaced.

Sure, but Ron Wilson wasn't singlehandedly trying to bring the Leafs down from the inside. Francois Allaire, on the other hand, seems to have supplanted Jimmy Carter as history's greatest monster.

Yes, but would 47% of the goalies vote for Allaire no matter what?

 

[Leaflifer]

Maguire was on the Team 1200 this morning.  He said that Burke has a "we are all in this together" mentality with those that work for him and that he brings a lot of heart and passion to the workplace.  Those two things combined mean that he sometimes has to go back on some of the things that he has said.  Once Allaire made his problems with the team public, Burke went in to protection mode. 

This was in response to the question "Pierre, 6 months ago Burke was claiming that Allaire was the greatest goalie coach in the world, and now just yesterday he says that the leafs had a problem with his style.  Can you explain that?"

This what I've never liked about Burke since he was in Vancouver. He appears to let his emotions do the thinking.

Honestly, does he seem like a guy who you can say, "No, I don't think that's a good idea" without ramifications?

Whatever the situation with Allaire (I don't really care at this point) - I just don't like that he (as a leader) chose to say to the media that Allaire was an integral part of the team and future success, and then recant all that and say that he is exactly the opposite.

I realize it's in response to Allaire criticizing the Leaf coaching staff, but does Burke HAVE to insult the guy in response? To the media? I guess it wouldn't be Brian if he didn't.

I understand what PM is saying - and I think thats a fine attitude for a player (all emotion) or even an owner, but not the type of behaviour I like to see from the "brains" of the operation.

I just wish he came across as a more calculated guy. He never has IMO.

 

[sniper55]

I realize it's in response to Allaire criticizing the Leaf coaching staff, but does Burke HAVE to insult the guy in response? To the media? I guess it wouldn't be Brian if he didn't.

Did Allaire have to go to the media to tak shots at the organization he chose to leave? He could have just said something along the lines of "It hasn't worked out here, and it's time to move on", if he really wanted to speak to the media, but decides to take shots at the Leafs instead of talking to Burke about it in private.

 

[dappleganger]

It doesn't make any sense for Burke to air dirty laundry before Allaire decided to leave.

It sounds like people are making an issue out of this because there is not much else to talk about.

Did anyone expect Burke to criticize Allaire while still employed by the Leafs?

Whether you (Burke) think someone is doing a good job or not you support your employees. That's what a good leader does. People now want to criticize Burke for giving an employee a vote of confidence? Give your head a shake.

 

[Corn Flake]

It doesn't make any sense for Burke to air dirty laundry before Allaire decided to leave.

It sounds like people are making an issue out of this because there is not much else to talk about.

Did anyone expect Burke to criticize Allaire while still employed by the Leafs?

Whether you (Burke) think someone is doing a good job or not you support your employees. That's what a good leader does. People now want to criticize Burke for giving an employee a vote of confidence? Give your head a shake.

Well put.

There were clearly some major points of contention between Allaire and the rest of the coaching staff and management.  For Burke to bring that up publicly before all of this happened would have been pretty pathetic.  I'm sure nothing would have been said about Allaire had he not come out himself and ragged on the organization.

"oooh it reeks of strife and dysfunction"...  : nooo it doesn't. 

 

[Bender]

It doesn't make any sense for Burke to air dirty laundry before Allaire decided to leave.

It sounds like people are making an issue out of this because there is not much else to talk about.

Did anyone expect Burke to criticize Allaire while still employed by the Leafs?

Whether you (Burke) think someone is doing a good job or not you support your employees. That's what a good leader does. People now want to criticize Burke for giving an employee a vote of confidence? Give your head a shake.

Exactly, keep things internal and work on it internally. God knows there's enough drama to go through, why bring on a rabid media frenzy? Regardless, when it comes to the Leafs, if we're losing it doesn't matter what the GM or coach does to help or shake things up. It's a perfect Catch-22. (Thank you Joseph Heller!)

 

[Kin]

Exactly, keep things internal and work on it internally. God knows there's enough drama to go through, why bring on a rabid media frenzy?

Well, that's the real issue here. It isn't an abrupt difference in public stances it's that this doesn't seem to have been solved internally in a prompt or effective way. It sounds like Allaire was basically refusing to do as asked by the rest of the coaching staff all year. That sounds like something that should be wrapped up in a weekend.

I mean, as much as I've found fault with the results Burke has had, this is the first time that it sounds like he's losing his grip on things.

Regardless, when it comes to the Leafs, if we're losing it doesn't matter what the GM or coach does to help or shake things up. It's a perfect Catch-22. (Thank you Joseph Heller!)

Not really. I mean, that's a little like saying that's a little like saying that it doesn't matter how many holes you drill in the hull, the water keeps rising.

 

[Bender]

Exactly, keep things internal and work on it internally. God knows there's enough drama to go through, why bring on a rabid media frenzy?

Well, that's the real issue here. It isn't an abrupt difference in public stances it's that this doesn't seem to have been solved internally in a prompt or effective way. It sounds like Allaire was basically refusing to do as asked by the rest of the coaching staff all year. That sounds like something that should be wrapped up in a weekend.

I mean, as much as I've found fault with the results Burke has had, this is the first time that it sounds like he's losing his grip on things.

Regardless, when it comes to the Leafs, if we're losing it doesn't matter what the GM or coach does to help or shake things up. It's a perfect Catch-22. (Thank you Joseph Heller!)

Not really. I mean, that's a little like saying that's a little like saying that it doesn't matter how many holes you drill in the hull, the water keeps rising.

Yeah, but why throw an employee under the bus publicly while still under contract? There's no need to burn bridges. I'm sure prospective employees would be glad that Burke offers them some level of public protection in a market that microanalyzes everything.