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Auston Matthews

Bullfrog said:
While the woman seems to be angered by the actions of Matthews' parents, this is ultimately inconsequential to the proceedings; though the conduct of the parties is considered in judgments. I find it somewhat strange that she called the parents of a 22-year-old man.
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Maybe this wasn't clear, but it wasn't the guard/victim who contacted Matthews' parents it was a manager from the condo.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
I guess I would have preferred a harder stance or a tough love approach.  Something along the lines of "I walked up to him and asked him what were you thinking?".  Something that indicated that his teammates and his coach were going to try and turn this in to a teachable moment.  You know something from Reilly to the effect of "I don't have all the information but I'm going to talk to Auston and figure out what went down, and we'll correct things and go from there."  Saying you are going to support him makes it sound like if Auston goes to fight this, or claim he is in the right, that his teammates have his back.  I didn't really find Auston's apology all that compelling so I am not sure he feels he did anything wrong.     

I like the Dubas comment about having an honest conversation, but that could just be spin.
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I think offering support for your teammate support in the media doesn't mean the person condones the act.  I don't think you need to take the tough love approach in the media- that can and should happen behind the scenes.  Without a doubt having that sort of honest conversation is definitely required here and I doubt that its just spin.
 
I expected more from the parents.  Their son goofed, and instead of taking ownership of it and giving him some good advice they hoped it would go away.  Based on the video and more info we now know, it seems like the security guard decided to press ahead with charges because Brian Matthews ticked her off in denying that his son ever did or said anything to her, even to the point of seeing the video with his pants down.  Had they just nipped it in the bud back when he saw the tape, nothing would have come out.  What a series of stupid decisions all the way around.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bullfrog said:
While the woman seems to be angered by the actions of Matthews' parents, this is ultimately inconsequential to the proceedings; though the conduct of the parties is considered in judgments. I find it somewhat strange that she called the parents of a 22-year-old man.
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Maybe this wasn't clear, but it wasn't the guard/victim who contacted Matthews' parents it was a manager from the condo.
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ahh. That makes more sense. I couldn't figure out why the hell she called the parents as that would clearly indicate they were well known to each other (not that that changes much)
 
Zee said:
I expected more from the parents.  Their son goofed, and instead of taking ownership of it and giving him some good advice they hoped it would go away.  Based on the video and more info we now know, it seems like the security guard decided to press ahead with charges because Brian Matthews ticked her off in denying that his son ever did or said anything to her, even to the point of seeing the video with his pants down.  Had they just nipped it in the bud back when he saw the tape, nothing would have come out.  What a series of stupid decisions all the way around.
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Totally agree here. As much as Matthews was a dumbass here, his father, if allegations are true, was the bigger dumbass. For all we know Matthews may have wanted to tell the Leafs and on the advice of dad he didn't. Who knows but it doesn't shed a bright light on dad.
As for the captain thing. If the Leafs picked Matthews to be the captain before this, then he should still be the captain. This should not change that from happening. I'd venture to say that the guys in the room know who the captain is going to be so I don't see the Leafs giving the C to anyone else. There's also no rush to give the C out yet so they can delay it, if they want.

Dreger just said on Leafs Lunch that Matthews wasn't going to be the captain anyway....that from his sources.
 
Not too impressed by Matthews in this situation. I say give Rielly the C. Matthews shouldn't put himself in a situation like this, to me it doesn't matter if it is one incident, and then not tell the leafs about is shortely after. If it's true that the guys tried to open the car door, it's quite creepy as well and a really poor judgement. If I were an owner I would probably make sure that everyone understands that if he is named captain now, then someone will be fired. I am proud over Kyle Dubas, over what he is saying, and how he is dealing with the situation.
 
Zee said:
I expected more from the parents.  Their son goofed, and instead of taking ownership of it and giving him some good advice they hoped it would go away.  Based on the video and more info we now know, it seems like the security guard decided to press ahead with charges because Brian Matthews ticked her off in denying that his son ever did or said anything to her, even to the point of seeing the video with his pants down.  Had they just nipped it in the bud back when he saw the tape, nothing would have come out.  What a series of stupid decisions all the way around.
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Thank you. I totally agree. Mathews made a stupid decision for sure but knowing that his parents knew and didn't take appropriate action/advising the Leafs about the situation is concerning to me. I know you want to protect your kids and god forbid they do something stupid, you don't want to believe, you have to investigate things and not just brush it under the rug.

As for his teammates, etc. supporting him, I see nothing wrong with that comment. Doesn't mean they condone his behaviour but maybe "support" to help him learn from his mistake and trying to make things better and help him do make better choices.

 
BrownRolo said:
I found this from the Athletic article to be particular damning

Dozithee also said that a member of the condo board approached her after the incident and told her that if she decided to press charges, the board would support her, because ?the resident has been an issue for us anyways.?

It's not a one time thing. They guy has been acting like an entitled rich kid by the sounds of it.

Give Tavares the C.
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That sentence stood out to me as well.  Who knows just what the ?issues? are/were.  Maybe he?s been taking out the trash outside his suite in his underwear.  Just saying, sarcastically speaking.
 
Not having told or saying anything for months about an incident the Maple Leafs organization should have known, does not necessarily constitute ?an error in judgement?.  What?s surprising even more than the situation is that neither his parents nor his agent advised him properly if at all.

Dubas has every right to be ?furious.?

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My gut feeling is they had their timeline in place. Their homegrown #1 overall pick who's shown great strides in his game over the first three years was set to be announced as the next captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then two items: firstly if the events did indeed unfold as reported, a  huge embarrassment for the team and the face of the franchise, literally caught with his pants down (the disappointment). Secondly, management were completely blind-sided by this stuff just days before the start of the season (the fury). I think those two combined cause a complete reset: Big Three get no letters, mandate is just go score goals and set up plays. JT (captain elsewhere, total package, here for 6 years) is anointed, or Mo (drafted and homegrown, already a veteran and well respected). I'm leaning towards the former rather than the latter, simply because of history and he's locked in twice as long.
 
disco said:
My gut feeling is they had their timeline in place. Their homegrown #1 overall pick who's shown great strides in his game over the first three years was set to be announced as the next captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then two items: firstly if the events did indeed unfold as reported, a  huge embarrassment for the team and the face of the franchise, literally caught with his pants down (the disappointment). Secondly, management were completely blind-sided by this stuff just days before the start of the season (the fury). I think those two combined cause a complete reset: Big Three get no letters, mandate is just go score goals and set up plays. JT (captain elsewhere, total package, here for 6 years) is anointed, or Mo (drafted and homegrown, already a veteran and well respected). I'm leaning towards the former rather than the latter, simply because of history and he's locked in twice as long.
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I can't believe how out of touch some of you guys are.  It's going to Tavares and it always was. 
 
Stebro said:
Not too impressed by Matthews in this situation. I say give Rielly the C. Matthews shouldn't put himself in a situation like this, to me it doesn't matter if it is one incident, and then not tell the leafs about is shortely after. If it's true that the guys tried to open the car door, it's quite creepy as well and a really poor judgement. If I were an owner I would probably make sure that everyone understands that if he is named captain now, then someone will be fired. I am proud over Kyle Dubas, over what he is saying, and how he is dealing with the situation.
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I think with Rielly entering UFA in a couple if years they won't give it to him. They give him the C it puts them over a barrel when trying to negotiate a new contract.

Tavares makes the most sense.
 
Manson said:
disco said:
My gut feeling is they had their timeline in place. Their homegrown #1 overall pick who's shown great strides in his game over the first three years was set to be announced as the next captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then two items: firstly if the events did indeed unfold as reported, a  huge embarrassment for the team and the face of the franchise, literally caught with his pants down (the disappointment). Secondly, management were completely blind-sided by this stuff just days before the start of the season (the fury). I think those two combined cause a complete reset: Big Three get no letters, mandate is just go score goals and set up plays. JT (captain elsewhere, total package, here for 6 years) is anointed, or Mo (drafted and homegrown, already a veteran and well respected). I'm leaning towards the former rather than the latter, simply because of history and he's locked in twice as long.
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I can't believe how out of touch some of you guys are.  It's going to Tavares and it always was. 
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It's JT or Rielly. Always was. This changes nothing. When Babs was talking about how Kawhi acted and portrayed himself there shouldn't have been one Leaf fan who didn't think he was describing JT.
 
Frank E said:
I can't imagine furious Kyle Dubas. 

Like, so angry he threw a pencil across his desk?
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Guilt Trip said:
You should support teammates, friends and family. Last I heard Matthews hasn't been found guilty yet. Let's see how this plays out before trying to figure out what he was thinking and why he did what he allegedly did.
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Michael said:
2. Auston's parents knew. Not only did a sober Auston not come clean with the Leafs, but his parents did not advise him to come clean. Telling the Leafs the next morning could very likely have resulted in this all going away without a charge. We will never know. But regardless, drunken immaturity is one thing. The cold light of day immaturity is another.
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These are the two things I have trouble squaring.

Matthews is a valued member of the team and organization, so they certainly ought to support Matthews as long as his case is pending and, even if he's found guilty, people's communities ought to help them rehabilitate.

But that requires trust and imposes some responsibilities on Matthews. That he didn't feel it was any of the team's business, knowing (or really should knowing) that this would become public and cause all sorts of problems for his colleagues, is a huge problem. Maybe, as someone said above, his dad told him it wasn't serious, that he shouldn't tell the team. But that's not really making the case for his captaincy!
 
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