Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590

[Kin]

Although with all that said I think it's worth mentioning that the team allowed 33 shots and only 2 goals and we're talking about tonight as a failure of the defence.

 

[Redleaf]

Although with all that said I think it's worth mentioning that the team allowed 33 shots and only 2 goals and we're talking about tonight as a failure of the defence.

But...failure of defence is the only thing Busta and I agree on 

It's how to fix it that gets us riled.

 

[Bonsixx]

This game could've been a two or three goal lead in the first period. They didn't play great, but they weren't bad. That was, I believe, what they refer to as "puck luck."

Still, insanely sloppy play defensively. Turnovers are ridiculous and I'm not sure how they're going to fix it.

 

[losveratos]

The only good thing that happened tonight was not letting in an empty net goal. So... yep. Pretty stoked about that.

 

[TML fan]

Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Edit: show me a team full of good two way players and I'll show you a good coach. That seldom works the other way around.

Yes. The Leafs aren't Team Canada. We all know that. But, at the same time, if you don't believe that coaching had influence on the outcome of the Olympics, then I don't know what to say to you.

A good coach can make a team look much better defensively than the talent on the roster would imply that they would be. While the Leafs may not be brimming with defensive superstars, they are, as a group, talented enough as players to be a reasonable defensive group if they're deployed probably and taught a system that maximizes their strength. Right now, neither of those things are happening.

Unless you're talking about playing a trap game, I don't agree. This team has too many offense-first players. We've been through this, you and me, many times. You know where I stand on this. I'd trade 3-4 offense-first players on this team for two-way guys (add a few defensive D-men), and we get that much closer to the team you think we should be seeing now. That's the only way it happens.

If the team has so many offence first players, and plays a defence first system, how is that not the coach's problem? Yeah, you can trade for a bunch of better defensive players, but wouldn't it be simpler to just get a coach who will actually try to maximize the potential of the team he has, instead of force-feeding them bullcrap hockey because he can't adapt his coaching style?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

This game could've been a two or three goal lead in the first period. They didn't play great, but they weren't bad. That was, I believe, what they refer to as "puck luck."

Still, insanely sloppy play defensively. Turnovers are ridiculous and I'm not sure how they're going to fix it.

I'm not sure how anyone can say they didn't play bad when they only had 5 shots in the 2nd period and went the first 17 minutes of the 3rd only registering another hand full. It was sickening to watch.

 

[Bullfrog]

Agreed. I actually puked on my shoes.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

That was the booze.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

You've just isolated their number one problem here. The core of this teams defense is either too inexperienced, or too offensive minded.

Defence is, and always has been, a team thing, not a defenceman thing. The biggest defensive issue with the team is the system they play, not the guys on the blue line who are part of it. Adding a defensive defenceman or a more experienced player or two isn't going to have a material impact on that. They're not going to suddenly start playing a different system than the one their coach has been deploying them in all season.

Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Edit: show me a team full of good two way players and I'll show you a good coach. That seldom works the other way around.

Then honestly, what's the point of having a coach right?  Just put anyone back there until you can assemble the best possible team because if a coach can't teach a team to play better defense, and if they can't teach them to score more, what are they doing besides collecting a paycheque?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Last night was the first time in a long time that I've actually been angry at the team.

It's one thing to hang Reimer out to dry with their play, it's another to let the opposing team abuse your goalie without consequences. Reimer is a model pro and I counted 3 times he was seriously hit and at least 6 total, without anyone protecting him.

Also the whole not really showing up for 50 minutes and then pouring it on, I mean play like that or even 80% of that effort for even half the game and it should have been an easy victory.

I'd have skated them till they puked after the game, totally unacceptable and it speak to serious character flaws in the makeup of this team.

 

[Rebel_1812]

they have been trying all year to play better defensively and it isn't working.  Maybe they should try the opposite and play all offensive run and gun style.  Try to score so many goals that they will win despite poor defense.

 

[TML fan]

they have been trying all year to play better defensively and it isn't working.  Maybe they should try the opposite and play all offensive run and gun style.  Try to score so many goals that they will win despite poor defense.

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