Burke Fired

[GhostofPotvin29]

DGB says no blue chips - but wouldn't Rielly be considered a blue chip? Even, arguably, Gardiner?

That's his opinion, he's entitled to it like anyone else.

Okay?  He gave an opinion and I am questioning it, the same thing that goes on here every single day.  Did that need to be said?  Where did I suggest he wasn't entitled to his opinion?

 

[bustaheims]

DGB says no blue chips - but wouldn't Rielly be considered a blue chip? Even, arguably, Gardiner?

I'd definitely consider Rielly to be a "blue chip" type prospect (and I imagine most people in the hockey world would as well). He may not be a can't miss type, but, really, outside of guys like Crosby, Stamkos, etc, who is?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

DGB says no blue chips - but wouldn't Rielly be considered a blue chip? Even, arguably, Gardiner?

I'd definitely consider Rielly to be a "blue chip" type prospect (and I imagine most people in the hockey world would as well). He may not be a can't miss type, but, really, outside of guys like Crosby, Stamkos, etc, who is?

Yeah, and I don't mean to give Burke 'credit' for finishing bottom 5, but I just disagreed after one sentence he mentions Rielly's potential, then a couple later comments that Burke left us with no blue chippers.

 

[Zee]

DGB says no blue chips - but wouldn't Rielly be considered a blue chip? Even, arguably, Gardiner?

That's his opinion, he's entitled to it like anyone else.

Okay?  He gave an opinion and I am questioning it, the same thing that goes on here every single day.  Did that need to be said?  Where did I suggest he wasn't entitled to his opinion?

No I agree with you, I don't think DGB is correct either.  I look towards DGB for comedy bits which he's really good at.

 

[Kin]

I'd definitely consider Rielly to be a "blue chip" type prospect (and I imagine most people in the hockey world would as well). He may not be a can't miss type, but, really, outside of guys like Crosby, Stamkos, etc, who is?

Realistically, where do you figure Rielly ranks among NHL prospects?

 

[Jalili]

I'd put Gardiner in that category, but maybe that's just me.

Realistically, where do you suppose Gardiner ranks among NHL players and prospects his age or younger?

Wasn't addressed to me, but probably around 15th or higher in his draft class, which was also a pretty big year for defensemen.

 

[bustaheims]

Realistically, where do you figure Rielly ranks among NHL prospects?

That's hard to judge, but, really, I'd probably put him the top 25 in terms of guys who would meet the criteria of what I consider to be prospects.

 

[Kin]

That's hard to judge, but, really, I'd probably put him the top 25 in terms of guys who would meet the criteria of what I consider to be prospects.

But, I assume, outside of the top 10?

 

[bustaheims]

But, I assume, outside of the top 10?

To be honest, I haven't put a ton of thought into it, but, yeah, probably, though probably not significantly and possibly on near the same level as guys that might end up near the bottom of the top 10.

 

[ZBBM]

Crown McIndoe with laurel.  His is the most rightest of all the analyses, right down to Rielly being a borderline blue-chipper.

EDIT: By blue-chipper, I mean a "Can't miss."  If "blue-chipper" doesn't mean that, what could it possibly mean? 

 

[lamajama]

That's hard to judge, but, really, I'd probably put him the top 25 in terms of guys who would meet the criteria of what I consider to be prospects.

But, I assume, outside of the top 10?

Yes, and outside of Rielly and a weak nod to Naz (soon to be Canuck property sadly) is really the only legitimate stud prospects we have, and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Rielly as he's actually played very few games as a Junior. Naz is probably the most talented as the guy is a magician with the puck but not yet "complete" as they want him. We'll see if he survives the Luongo deal but if they give him an offensive role IMHO he'll develop into a good player - not great but good. Sorry didn't mean to turn this into a Naz thread.

 

[Kin]

To be honest, I haven't put a ton of thought into it, but, yeah, probably, though probably not significantly and possibly on near the same level as guys that might end up near the bottom of the top 10.

Alright. HF has him at #16, for some sort of reference. I think it's fair to say, at the very least, that by prefacing what he said by allowing that Rielly is a possible exception, that the difference here is a reasonable difference of opinion concerning what is the cut-off line for being a blue-chipper and not an error in fact.

 

[maplesyrup]

‏@michaelgrange
Burke press conference scheduled for 11 a.m. Saturday at ACC I'm told ... #Leafs

 

[bustaheims]

Alright. HF has him at #16, for some sort of reference. I think it's fair to say, at the very least, that by prefacing what he said by allowing that Rielly is a possible exception, that the difference here is a reasonable difference of opinion concerning what is the cut-off line for being a blue-chipper and not an error in fact.

Well, I'd argue the having "blue chip" status is not a matter of rankings but rather one of ability and potential. I have to imagine the prevailing opinion of Rielly is that he is, in fact, a blue chip calibre prospect. It's hard to talk about "errors in facts" when "blue chip" is clearly a subjective matter - I'm just saying that perhaps DGB is being unnecessarily negative in his summation here (which, as you and I both know, if well worn ground when it comes to people writing about sports teams after a coach or GM has been let go).

 

[Zee]

‏@michaelgrange
Burke press conference scheduled for 11 a.m. Saturday at ACC I'm told ... #Leafs

Interview preview here:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1313781--brian-burke-exclusive-interview-former-maple-leafs-gm-says-he-was-stunned-by-firing

 

[rdowdall]

Alright. HF has him at #16, for some sort of reference. I think it's fair to say, at the very least, that by prefacing what he said by allowing that Rielly is a possible exception, that the difference here is a reasonable difference of opinion concerning what is the cut-off line for being a blue-chipper and not an error in fact.

Well, I'd argue the having "blue chip" status is not a matter of rankings but rather one of ability and potential. I have to imagine the prevailing opinion of Rielly is that he is, in fact, a blue chip calibre prospect. It's hard to talk about "errors in facts" when "blue chip" is clearly a subjective matter - I'm just saying that perhaps DGB is being unnecessarily negative in his summation here (which, as you and I both know, if well worn ground when it comes to people writing about sports teams after a coach or GM has been let go).

I feel the need to point out that Burke missed the playoffs for 3 straight years and you are arguing if the article is wrong because instead of saying no blue chip prospects, it should say two.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

‏@michaelgrange
Burke press conference scheduled for 11 a.m. Saturday at ACC I'm told ... #Leafs

Interview preview here:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1313781--brian-burke-exclusive-interview-former-maple-leafs-gm-says-he-was-stunned-by-firing

I didn't see this until now, posted it and removed. Sounds like he is going to be more involved with Nonis than he is with the board or Anselmi.

 

[Zee]

‏@michaelgrange
Burke press conference scheduled for 11 a.m. Saturday at ACC I'm told ... #Leafs

Interview preview here:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1313781--brian-burke-exclusive-interview-former-maple-leafs-gm-says-he-was-stunned-by-firing

I didn't see this until now, posted it and removed. Sounds like he is going to be more involved with Nonis than he is with the board or Anselmi.

I wonder how much he'll be involved.  I suppose Burke wants to have success here, but anything going forward will probably be credited to Nonis (provided the Leafs become good through his moves).  Would be nice if the relationship could work out for the Leafs, I just can't see it.

 

[maplesyrup]

‏@michaelgrange
Burke press conference scheduled for 11 a.m. Saturday at ACC I'm told ... #Leafs

Interview preview here:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1313781--brian-burke-exclusive-interview-former-maple-leafs-gm-says-he-was-stunned-by-firing

Huh. I didn't expect such positive words from him.

 

[bustaheims]

I feel the need to point out that Burke missed the playoffs for 3 straight years and you are arguing if the article is wrong because instead of saying no blue chip prospects, it should say two.

No, I'm arguing the very specific point that Rielly is likely considered to be a blue chip prospect by the majority of hockey talent evaluators. I'm not discussing the rest of the article or its validity.