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Chicago fires Joel Quenneville

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https://twitter.com/NHLBlackhawks/status/1059808932833697792

Wow. Arguably the best coach in the league.

Lots of teams should be seriously considering firing their coaches to get this guy instead. Top of the list being Edmonton obviously.
 
I don't know. A team with a talented roster wins a lot and their coach gets a ton of credit, then the team's roster gets less talented and the team wins less often and the coach gets blame. I don't know that either situation is a great test of a coach's ability.

I don't think what's going on in Edmonton is because McLlellan is a bad coach or even objectively worse than Quenneville.
 
This one is more surprising than the LA one; I think the rifts were there between the coaching staff and management the past two seasons, and I guess they finally broke all the way.

Colliton gets to coach in the NHL at 33. (Keefe is safe)

Ottawa can't afford Quenneville :D
 
My only problem with this is that ownership should have made the decision to fire both the GM and coach here. Bowman's been GM for almost as long as Quenneville was coach (and has been with the team since 2001!!!), so if things were stale and change was needed it should have applied to both of them.
 
If I'm a bunch of teams, I am contacting him this morning and willing to fire my coach to bring him in if he wants the position.
 
Peter D. said:
If I'm a bunch of teams, I am contacting him this morning and willing to fire my coach to bring him in if he wants the position.
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St. Louis, Detroit, Anaheim
 
Bates said:
cabber24 said:
He gets paid $6M this and next season. If he signs again for $6M he could be banking $12M next season.
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I don't think it works like that.
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How does it work? He still gets paid even though he got fired. He's free to sign elsewhere if Chicago gives the inquiring team permission to.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
My only problem with this is that ownership should have made the decision to fire both the GM and coach here. Bowman's been GM for almost as long as Quenneville was coach (and has been with the team since 2001!!!), so if things were stale and change was needed it should have applied to both of them.
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This.

The usual response when a coach gets fired is to center the discussion around coach vs. players.  To me it seems like the GM gets protected more than the coach or players in these situations.  If the team is bad, the players get blamed for not performing and the coach gets fired.  The GM sits back and fires the coach (or two) before they face heat.
 
cabber24 said:
Bates said:
cabber24 said:
He gets paid $6M this and next season. If he signs again for $6M he could be banking $12M next season.
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I don't think it works like that.
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How does it work? He still gets paid even though he got fired. He's free to sign elsewhere.
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I could be wrong, but I believe the moment he signs elsewhere, though, he stops getting paid by the Blackhawks.  He can stay at home and just collect his salary from Chicago, or he can go somewhere and collect it from the new team, but not both.
 
L K said:
The usual response when a coach gets fired is to center the discussion around coach vs. players.  To me it seems like the GM gets protected more than the coach or players in these situations.  If the team is bad, the players get blamed for not performing and the coach gets fired.  The GM sits back and fires the coach (or two) before they face heat.
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But that's the thing, Quenneville predates Bowman as GM. So if they fired Bowman they'd be firing a GM before ever letting him hire his own coach. That'd be unusual anywhere but a multiple-cup winning GM is going to have at least some latitude in that area.
 
louisstamos said:
cabber24 said:
Bates said:
cabber24 said:
He gets paid $6M this and next season. If he signs again for $6M he could be banking $12M next season.
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I don't think it works like that.
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How does it work? He still gets paid even though he got fired. He's free to sign elsewhere.
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I could be wrong, but I believe the moment he signs elsewhere, though, he stops getting paid by the Blackhawks.  He can stay at home and just collect his salary from Chicago, or he can go somewhere and collect it from the new team, but not both.
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Striking out on google for this topic but I guess it makes sense. What if he doesn't get $6M again, I guess CHI would be on the hook for the difference?
 
Nik the Trik said:
But that's the thing, Quenneville predates Bowman as GM. So if they fired Bowman they'd be firing a GM before ever letting him hire his own coach. That'd be unusual anywhere but a multiple-cup winning GM is going to have at least some latitude in that area.
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Bowman signed Quenneville to three separate extensions though (2010, 2013, and 2016, all 3 year deals). So I don't really think it's fair to say Bowman didn't pick him as his guy.
 
cabber24 said:
louisstamos said:
cabber24 said:
Bates said:
cabber24 said:
He gets paid $6M this and next season. If he signs again for $6M he could be banking $12M next season.
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I don't think it works like that.
Click to expand...
How does it work? He still gets paid even though he got fired. He's free to sign elsewhere.
Click to expand...

I could be wrong, but I believe the moment he signs elsewhere, though, he stops getting paid by the Blackhawks.  He can stay at home and just collect his salary from Chicago, or he can go somewhere and collect it from the new team, but not both.
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Striking out on google for this topic but I guess it makes sense. What if he doesn't get $6M again, I guess CHI would be on the hook for the difference?
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They make agreements sometimes for a  buyout like AZ with Tippett. Other times it's simply you get paid until you sign elsewhere. There is no strict rule but a coach won't be moving on and getting full salary.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bowman signed Quenneville to three separate extensions though (2010, 2013, and 2016, all 3 year deals). So I don't really think it's fair to say Bowman didn't pick him as his guy.
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Except Bowman never had the juice to fire Quenneville or go in a different direction at any of those points. Quenneville certainly wasn't getting fired in 2010 after just winning the cup so the idea that Bowman had any real input there seems like a stretch.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Except Bowman never had the juice to fire Quenneville or go in a different direction at any of those points. Quenneville certainly wasn't getting fired in 2010 after just winning the cup so the idea that Bowman had any real input there seems like a stretch.
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I'll give you the first one but the other two, that's his call. Even if there was some pressure to make it happen he's still the GM and the one who has to take responsibility for it.

I totally get your argument if this was a GM who was a few years on the job and inherited a coach. But like I said Bowman's been GM for 9 years and was a part of the management group that hired Quenneville in the first place. I just don't think he can play that card.
 
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