Compete level!

[moon111]

Peter Holland (3), Brandon Kozun (1), Richard Panik (1), Matt Frattin (0), Carter Ashton (0), Sam Carrick (0)
I think Holland has been on pace, but his wingers haven't.  Panik has thrown the odd hit, blocked some shots in his limited time.  Kozun has the worst +/- among forwards and has only managed 2 shots.  Frattin is a wash.  Ashton has only managed 16 assists in 151 AHL games... don't think he's the answer either. 

I'm not buying that it's Carlyle's fault for the 4th line follies.  2/3rds of them are just not that good.

And also 48 goals. You're cherry picking stats here.

So Ashton can score like a Pavel Brendl, only he can't make plays.

 

[freer]

It is honestly nice to see that our 4th line is actually getting some playing time. I would prefer times around 10 mins for all of them.

 

[Highlander]

It willl be necessary as the season moves on. Looks like Carrick will go on the road trip along with Percy.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

It is honestly nice to see that our 4th line is actually getting some playing time. I would prefer times around 10 mins for all of them.

I was happy to see that Friday night, but against Chicago they averaged just over 4 minutes.  I really thought Carrick showed enough to earn more than 4 minutes, so it will be interesting to see what Randy does Tuesday with the Coyotes.

 

[nutman]

It is honestly nice to see that our 4th line is actually getting some playing time. I would prefer times around 10 mins for all of them.

I was happy to see that Friday night, but against Chicago they averaged just over 4 minutes.  I really thought Carrick showed enough to earn more than 4 minutes, so it will be interesting to see what Randy does Tuesday with the Coyotes.

Its a long season, and now that we have the right guys on the fourth, I am hoping Randy sees the light and uses them.So we don't burn out the other three lines, for when we step it up for the push to the playoffs.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

It is honestly nice to see that our 4th line is actually getting some playing time. I would prefer times around 10 mins for all of them.

I was happy to see that Friday night, but against Chicago they averaged just over 4 minutes.  I really thought Carrick showed enough to earn more than 4 minutes, so it will be interesting to see what Randy does Tuesday with the Coyotes.

Its a long season, and now that we have the right guys on the fourth, I am hoping Randy sees the light and uses them.So we don't burn out the other three lines, for when we step it up for the push to the playoffs.

Randy is fighting for his job so not sure he's going to trust anyone but his top 3 lines to save it.  Although, I'm not convinced he's back next year even if we make the playoffs.

 

[Highlander]

When I met Randy in Collingwood, he had a look of a guy who wants to go fishing and knows he will soon have the time to do so.
I don't want to jinx the Ba____k things so will not say the name.

 

[Frank E]

Looking at Leaf possession stats (Fenwick):

Down by 2 = 28th
Down by 1 = 26th
Tied = 12th
Up by 1 = 29th
Up by 2 = 16th

Not exactly the kind of possession numbers that get my analytics juices flowing.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Looking at Leaf possession stats (Fenwick):

Down by 2 = 28th
Down by 1 = 26th
Tied = 12th
Up by 1 = 29th
Up by 2 = 16th

Not exactly the kind of possession numbers that get my analytics juices flowing.

Need some context there.  I'm going to include the TOI figures because for some of those there is a big difference in total time in each situation so maybe you might want to look at something like tied situations (221 minutes) being more representative so far than down by 1 or 2 situations (77 and 81 minutes respectively).  The #'s to go along with that:

Down by 2 = 40.5%, 81:04
Down by 1 = 47.1%, 77:39
Tied = 52.3%, 221:32
Up by 1 = 41.9%, 51:26
Up by 2 = 46%, 79:06

5v5 Fenwick Close% (close = tie games and in the first and second periods of games within two goals.): 18th, 50.3%, 317:49

Here's the Corsi For% #'s:

Close: 50.1%, 17th - 317:49
Tied: 50.9%, 15th - 221:32
Up by 1: 45.7%, 18th - 51:26

Now compare them with last season's overall #'s:

Fenwick 2013-14:
Close: 41.6%, 29th
Tied: 40.5%, 30th

Corsi 2013-14:
Close: 42.1%, 29th
Tied: 41.1%, 30th


So far this season their FF Close% is roughly 9% better and tied is roughly 12% better.  CF% close is roughly 8% better and tied is roughly 9% better.

Basically there's been improvements so far on last year's totals, but it's still early.  Apologies if that's hard to read, and source is Puckalytics.com

 

[Bullfrog]

When I met Randy in Collingwood, he had a look of a guy who wants to go fishing and knows he will soon have the time to do so.
I don't want to jinx the Ba____k things so will not say the name.

That's quite impressive that you could read that just from his look.

 

[Highlander]

not just that once, have noticed it on TV from time to time as well. I think he knows the writing is on the wall and basically as much as we all love our jobs, retirement with proper income is pretty enticing, retirement without proper income is terrifying.
So Randy has that peace of mind, most of us dream of.

 

[freer]

not just that once, have noticed it on TV from time to time as well. I think he knows the writing is on the wall and basically as much as we all love our jobs, retirement with proper income is pretty enticing, retirement without proper income is terrifying.
So Randy has that peace of mind, most of us dream of.

These coaches as well as the players earn millions of dollars, if they cant save enough for retirement there is a real problem with them.

 

[Highlander]

Don't get me wrong, Randy is super competitive, he wouldnt have reached this level as a player or coach without being so. However I also believe the writing is on the wall and he knows this. Won't stop him from wanting a winner but with Horachuck and Spott he does have able assistants to help reverse whatever trend the Leafs have been on since the short season.
I would think the B_______k would probably want to bring in his own assistants so will he keep either Horachuck or Spott?

 

[Madferret]

So Babcock is the next coach of the Leafs and will save the day / return them to glory? Cough

 

[Highlander]

That is his destiny young Skywalker!

 

[bustaheims]

draglikepull: I'm reminded of Mark Cuban's appearance on ESPN where he said that what the hosts see as a lack of compete, is actually ...

draglikepull: ... the other team being better prepared and executing on their game plan effectively.

I think Cuban nails it here. It's not really about one team's failure, but rather, the other team's success.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

draglikepull: I'm reminded of Mark Cuban's appearance on ESPN where he said that what the hosts see as a lack of compete, is actually ...

draglikepull: ... the other team being better prepared and executing on their game plan effectively.

I think Cuban nails it here. It's not really about one team's failure, but rather, the other team's success.

I don't doubt that there are legitimately times where players aren't giving their 100% or fully 'competing' as they should, but I think it's far too easy a narrative to fall back on and far too difficult to really accurately assess overall.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't doubt that there are legitimately times where players aren't giving their 100% or fully 'competing' as they should, but I think it's far too easy a narrative to fall back on and far too difficult to really accurately assess overall.

Obviously, individual effort and energy levels are going to vary from game to game. That's natural. It's the idea that groups of players or entire teams don't compete hard enough that I think is largely garbage. "Poor compete level" really usually boils down to poor strategy, poor execution or simply being outmatched in terms of skill/ability/strategy/etc.

 

[Deebo]

I don't doubt that there are legitimately times where players aren't giving their 100% or fully 'competing' as they should, but I think it's far too easy a narrative to fall back on and far too difficult to really accurately assess overall.

Kind of like like "They played with no heart".

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't doubt that there are legitimately times where players aren't giving their 100% or fully 'competing' as they should, but I think it's far too easy a narrative to fall back on and far too difficult to really accurately assess overall.

Obviously, individual effort and energy levels are going to vary from game to game. That's natural. It's the idea that groups of players or entire teams don't compete hard enough that I think is largely garbage. "Poor compete level" really usually boils down to poor strategy, poor execution or simply being outmatched in terms of skill/ability/strategy/etc.

Interesting reading on Twitter and I think it's true how Carlyle seems to get a pass from most (not all) of the media for basically saying he doesn't know what's wrong in scrums but imagine the media reaction had Wilson said that in scrums?  Media used to relish piling on him but I find Carlyle gets the opposite treatment - a long, long leash.