losveratos said:
OldTimeHockey said:
I mean even Kane has been a constant distraction to his team.
When you say distracting, you mean constantly looking at the point race with Crosby because he's second in the league in scoring?
Your list isn't Patrick Kane, it's Evander Kane with that cap hit. Patrick Kane carries a 6.3 million cap hit and will get a big raise when it's up after next year.
OldTimeHockey said:
I just don't think you can point at any given players and compare one to one unless it can be shown they were signed for the same reasons, around the same time, by a team requiring very similar players.
losveratos said:
So here you're saying that you can never ever ever compare players ever based on contract because trying to find any two players that meet every one of those criteria on the same day is basically impossible.
I stated in another post that Horton and Lupul both have the same contract, both contracts started this year and both (even though one is currently not playing) are better suited to the caphit than he is.
I didn't say you can never ever...I said "unless"....
Listen, I'm not arguing as to whether or not Clarkson's salary is an overpayment.
I just take issue with throwing names out there when they don't really mean much. I believe that if Lupul was a healthier player that consistently put up performances of which we've seen glimpses of, he's in the 6.5 - 7 million a year range.
Benn - Damn good hockey player. Dallas got him young for a good price.
Krejci - I'll admit that he's a bargain. A huge one compared to Clarkson
E.Kane - Comes off like Prima Donna but will get paid big if he ever zips it and performs consistently. Only 22 years old.
Lupul - Injury prone. Has never put up consistent numbers. Probably slightly underpaid but the injuries contribute to that.
Carter - Signed an 11 year contract 3 years ago hence the lower cap hit.
Hossa - Is coming off a 7.5 million Cap hit previous to his current contract. Still a great player at his price.
Doan - A machine.
Horton - A good player at a good price if he can get healthy. IIRC, Clarkson outscored him last year.
Ryan - 2nd contract. Significant raise will be paid by Ottawa or someone after next year
Kessel - Raise has arrived.
Tavares - A steal for the next 5 years. Will be one of the top paid after this contract if he continues to get better and better.
Kesler - A good price but he signed the contract 4 years ago.
Neal - A very good price for what he brings.
Horcoff - Signed the contract 5 years ago. He was extremely overpaid then and continues to be. Kudos to Edmonton for getting someone to take on his contract.
Plekanec - Pretty good price for Plekanec. Good player, turtleneck and all!
Hemsky - The oilers have been trying to move him apparently for years.
Gionta - Age and experience certainly factor into his contract
Bergeron - A steal
O'Reilly - A bridge contract due to go up after this year.
As you can see, some players are a good value, some are overpaid, some are just right. Clarkson would certainly fall into the overpaid category if you just look at the names on the list but Toronto certainly isn't the only team with some contracts that look off on their roster.
To say that someone is better suited to a certain cap hit is a tough task to take on considering that when looking at this small cap range, there's such a variance of skills and players that are either overpaid or underpaid.