David Clarkson

[bustaheims]

I suppose I meant it more as "what would you be willing to give up" rather than "what do you think it would cost". Basically, as CtB said, how much is getting rid of Clarkson worth to the Leafs.

Well, I guess, for me, what I'd be willing to give up is heavily influenced by what I think such a transaction would cost.

 

[Kin]

He's in a very distinguished group.  And perfectly primed for a bounce back...right?

Huh, you'd figure there'd be more what with enforcers and such.

 

[Kin]

I suppose I meant it more as "what would you be willing to give up" rather than "what do you think it would cost". Basically, as CtB said, how much is getting rid of Clarkson worth to the Leafs.

Well, I guess, for me, what I'd be willing to give up is heavily influenced by what I think such a transaction would cost.

You're just being difficult at this point.

 

[bustaheims]

I suppose I meant it more as "what would you be willing to give up" rather than "what do you think it would cost". Basically, as CtB said, how much is getting rid of Clarkson worth to the Leafs.

Well, I guess, for me, what I'd be willing to give up is heavily influenced by what I think such a transaction would cost.

You're just being difficult at this point.

So, I'm just being you?

 

[Kin]

So, I'm just being you?

But without my trademark panache.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I think we'll see more get used than we think.  Even if it's just a way for a team to save a couple thousand bucks.

Better to use them than lose them.

I wonder what the NHL would look like if they hadn't made these available. Sometimes I think it just promotes idiocy.

 

[hap_leaf]

He's in a very distinguished group.  And perfectly primed for a bounce back...right?

Huh, you'd figure there'd be more what with enforcers and such.

Check out Wayne Van Dorp's S%.  In fact he is in some interesting company in his own right.
http://hkref.com/tiny/AARh2

 

[L K]

He's in a very distinguished group.  And perfectly primed for a bounce back...right?

Huh, you'd figure there'd be more what with enforcers and such.

I thought there would be too, but I am using some finite criteria I guess looking only around Clarkson's age 28-30 and only looking at forwards and not including defensemen.  It's really not a good list though. Expanding the criteria to 15 points opens it wide up and includes a lot of the names you would expect from the enforcer list...it also is pretty devoid of guys who suddenly become efficient scorers again though too.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He's in a very distinguished group.  And perfectly primed for a bounce back...right?

Huh, you'd figure there'd be more what with enforcers and such.

That's looking for players who scored exactly 11 points (plus some other criteria). It probably would have been better to make the points criteria 11 or less.

 

[Kin]

He's in a very distinguished group.  And perfectly primed for a bounce back...right?

Huh, you'd figure there'd be more what with enforcers and such.

I thought there would be too, but I am using some finite criteria I guess looking only around Clarkson's age 28-30 and only looking at forwards and not including defensemen.  It's really not a good list though. Expanding the criteria to 15 points opens it wide up and includes a lot of the names you would expect from the enforcer list...it also is pretty devoid of guys who suddenly become efficient scorers again though too.

True...although just in a brief looking over the list there also doesn't seem to be anyone who was a good scorer and then fell off the map. Bates Battaglia is the only 20+ goal scorer on the list I found other than Clarkson and he did then have 30 points in his next full season.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

He's in a very distinguished group.  And perfectly primed for a bounce back...right?

Huh, you'd figure there'd be more what with enforcers and such.

That's looking for players who scored exactly 11 points (plus some other criteria). It probably would have been better to make the points criteria 11 or less.

Ask and you shall receive: Link

 

[Corn Flake]

Take Mason Raymond of the 2nd PP unit and put Clarkson on in his place.  He will be back to producing points.  Boom. Done.  I'll let myself out.

 

[L K]

Take Mason Raymond of the 2nd PP unit and put Clarkson on in his place.  He will be back to producing points.  Boom. Done.  I'll let myself out.

1 PPG in 64 minutes of PP-TOI.  Raymond got 53 more seconds of PP-TOI/game than Clarkson.  So we should expect 2 PPGs from Clarkson next year?

 

[bustaheims]

Take Mason Raymond of the 2nd PP unit and put Clarkson on in his place.  He will be back to producing points.  Boom. Done.  I'll let myself out.

Only if you overlook the fact that Raymond replaced Clarkson on the 2nd PP unit because Clarkson wasn't producing in that role. So, yeah, you let yourself out.

 

[mc]

Some juicy bits of a feud between Clarkson and Elias when they were teammates

http://hockeythisweek.com/devils-this-week-elias-and-clarkson-the-burning-questions/

?Clarkson wasn?t worth the money. Sure he could put the puck in the net but that was about it. I do not understand the Leafs. They are crazy. Just to pay a guy 35 million + for seven years is incredible?.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Some juicy bits of a feud between Clarkson and Elias when they were teammates

http://hockeythisweek.com/devils-this-week-elias-and-clarkson-the-burning-questions/

?Clarkson wasn?t worth the money. Sure he could put the puck in the net but that was about it. I do not understand the Leafs. They are crazy. Just to pay a guy 35 million + for seven years is incredible?.

What I got from that is that Kessel and Phaneuf are poor leaders and bad in the room.

 

[Kin]

I love new episodes of False Dichotomy Theatre.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Couple points about Clarkson in Friedman's latest 30 Thoughts:

8. The other situation is David Clarkson?s. He needs a change of scenery in the worst way, a chance to start over. He?s a better player than this, but it started badly with a 10-game suspension and never improved.

No Maple Leaf?s ice-time is dropping under Horachek more than his, including 8:11 last week in San Jose, his lowest non-injury game in five years. Would Toronto propose Clarkson/Richards? Makes sense for them, but I don?t see the Kings as a willing partner in that.

9. The most sensible thing would be a buyout, but that is borderline impossible for him.

As Toronto battled with Edmonton and Ottawa to sign Clarkson, his agency (Newport) had leverage and used it. He has five years and $27.5 million (cash) remaining, and, under regular rules, that would mean the Maple Leafs pay out approximately $1.85M per season for 10 years to let him go.

Problem: $20.5M of his deal is in bonuses, and those cannot be shrunk under the buyout formula. So, he?d cost between $4M-$5M a year the next five years. Doesn?t make sense to do it.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-youth-movement-for-2016-world-cup/
Dear lord that buyout is insane.  I mean, I knew it was, but to read it again is just crazy.  Nonis is nuts.

 

[ZBBM]

Some juicy bits of a feud between Clarkson and Elias when they were teammates

http://hockeythisweek.com/devils-this-week-elias-and-clarkson-the-burning-questions/

?Clarkson wasn?t worth the money. Sure he could put the puck in the net but that was about it. I do not understand the Leafs. They are crazy. Just to pay a guy 35 million + for seven years is incredible?.

What I got from that is that Kessel and Phaneuf are poor leaders and bad in the room.

So did I!  And they are not well-liked, either.

 

[ZBBM]

Couple points about Clarkson in Friedman's latest 30 Thoughts:

8. The other situation is David Clarkson?s. He needs a change of scenery in the worst way, a chance to start over. He?s a better player than this, but it started badly with a 10-game suspension and never improved.

No Maple Leaf?s ice-time is dropping under Horachek more than his, including 8:11 last week in San Jose, his lowest non-injury game in five years. Would Toronto propose Clarkson/Richards? Makes sense for them, but I don?t see the Kings as a willing partner in that.

9. The most sensible thing would be a buyout, but that is borderline impossible for him.

As Toronto battled with Edmonton and Ottawa to sign Clarkson, his agency (Newport) had leverage and used it. He has five years and $27.5 million (cash) remaining, and, under regular rules, that would mean the Maple Leafs pay out approximately $1.85M per season for 10 years to let him go.

Problem: $20.5M of his deal is in bonuses, and those cannot be shrunk under the buyout formula. So, he?d cost between $4M-$5M a year the next five years. Doesn?t make sense to do it.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-youth-movement-for-2016-world-cup/
Dear lord that buyout is insane.  I mean, I knew it was, but to read it again is just crazy.  Nonis is nuts.

And should be fired.

I am opposed to buying him out.  That would be even crazier than signing him.  Park him on the 4th line and let him play 2 mins a game.  Maybe he'll retire.