Ducks shopping Ryan

[Tigger]

Kulemin + Kadri + Blacker (or something like that.) I think that would be a very competitive offer on Burke's part.

That's a lot, Blacker is worth way more than a pick to me but your point, yup, it should be competitive.

 

[Tigger]

How about ryan for grabovski, macarthur, franson for ryan, that would free up the salary required to aquire ryan.  It is really good for us if grabovski doesn't want to stay in Toronto and we can sign getzlaf in 2013 to round ourselves out as a contender.   

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
Ryan - Connolly - Kulemin
Frattin - Lombardi - Armstrong
Brown - Steckel - Dupis

This is part of the problem, Anaheim likely won't want as much salary back as they're sending and the Leafs likely need to make room, might have to make a few moves.

 

[maplesyrup]

How about ryan for grabovski, macarthur, franson for ryan, that would free up the salary required to aquire ryan.  It is really good for us if grabovski doesn't want to stay in Toronto and we can sign getzlaf in 2013 to round ourselves out as a contender.   

Again, what value does an unsigned Grabovski have to Anaheim? Sure, come deadline, Grabo might interest teams lacking a center who are looking to make a playoff push but unless I've missed something, what is the appeal here on Anaheim's part? 

 

[Sudafederov]

How about ryan for grabovski, macarthur, franson for ryan, that would free up the salary required to aquire ryan.  It is really good for us if grabovski doesn't want to stay in Toronto and we can sign getzlaf in 2013 to round ourselves out as a contender.   

Again, what value does an unsigned Grabovski have to Anaheim? Sure, come deadline, Grabo might interest teams lacking a center who are looking to make a playoff push but unless I've missed something, what is the appeal here on Anaheim's part?

Added off-ice muscle against Vancouver bar patrons when they visit the Canucks.

 

[bustaheims]

Again, what value does an unsigned Grabovski have to Anaheim? Sure, come deadline, Grabo might interest teams lacking a center who are looking to make a playoff push but unless I've missed something, what is the appeal here on Anaheim's part?

One of the things Anaheim needs is a 2nd line centre to replace Koivu, who has been pretty ordinary and is likely to retire. While Grabovski might not be the ideal candidate for them in terms of contract length, picking him up now does give them a 7 month head start on getting him under contract for the future. And, if they can't, he could be an attractive asset for them to flip at the deadline to pick up picks and prospects for themselves.

 

[maplesyrup]

Again, what value does an unsigned Grabovski have to Anaheim? Sure, come deadline, Grabo might interest teams lacking a center who are looking to make a playoff push but unless I've missed something, what is the appeal here on Anaheim's part?

One of the things Anaheim needs is a 2nd line centre to replace Koivu, who has been pretty ordinary and is likely to retire. While Grabovski might not be the ideal candidate for them in terms of contract length, picking him up now does give them a 7 month head start on getting him under contract for the future. And, if they can't, he could be an attractive asset for them to flip at the deadline to pick up picks and prospects for themselves.

Fair enough... Sign him or flip him I suppose.

 

[Tigger]

Again, what value does an unsigned Grabovski have to Anaheim? Sure, come deadline, Grabo might interest teams lacking a center who are looking to make a playoff push but unless I've missed something, what is the appeal here on Anaheim's part?

One of the things Anaheim needs is a 2nd line centre to replace Koivu, who has been pretty ordinary and is likely to retire. While Grabovski might not be the ideal candidate for them in terms of contract length, picking him up now does give them a 7 month head start on getting him under contract for the future. And, if they can't, he could be an attractive asset for them to flip at the deadline to pick up picks and prospects for themselves.

Bingo, that's the upside.

 

[bustaheims]

Fair enough... Sign him or flip him I suppose.

Yeah, like I said, it's not ideal for them, but, there's certainly enough reasons why he might be an attractive piece in a deal for them. Not that I expect anything to go down - I imagine all this Ryan talk is just more of the same baseless speculation we tend to see around this time of year with prominent players on struggling teams.

 

[Tigger]

Anaheim does have money issues.

In mulling this over, I looked at their key dollar impact injuries to see if there might be some synergy for the Leafs to eat some dough:

Jason Blake (LW) $4.0 mil cap hit (last season) ($3 mil cash left) wrist tendon - due back mid Jan

Maybe taking Blake back in some sort of package might help Anaheim free up some dough ... Leafs could waive him to the AHL to avoid cap problems the minute he's healthy. So Blake could be a component of a deal.

This avenue is the most appealing basis I've read/considered so far, taking 9 + mil off their payroll and providing some kind of quality return for much less seems like a way it could happen... but it's not my money.

 

[Tigger]

I imagine all this Ryan talk is just more of the same baseless speculation we tend to see around this time of year with prominent players on struggling teams.

I know it's Kypreos but it seems a little more than that, no?

 

[bustaheims]

I imagine all this Ryan talk is just more of the same baseless speculation we tend to see around this time of year with prominent players on struggling teams.

I know it's Kypreos but it seems a little more than that, no?

It does, but, I feel like we say that about someone every year, only to see nothing happen with them.

 

[Tigger]

I imagine all this Ryan talk is just more of the same baseless speculation we tend to see around this time of year with prominent players on struggling teams.

I know it's Kypreos but it seems a little more than that, no?

It does, but, I feel like we say that about someone every year, only to see nothing happen with them.

Yeah, fair enough, you could easily be right.

One thing that is potentially good for the Leafs if it is true is Burke's understanding of that team and it's overall situation.

 

[Andy007]

Oh goody, I love dreaming up fake trade proposals, despite the fact they only provide useless entertainment and crushed dreams

My proposal is:

Schenn/Kulemin/D'amigo
for
Ryan/J.Blake/2013 2nd

 

[Erndog]

Pierre McGuire and the boys were discussing this on the Team1200 this morning.  They mentioned the "reported asking price" is, and I can't remember the exact adjective they used for the forward but they said, "a good young forward, a top young d-man and a 1st round pick."  Pretty much the typical template for a move like this.

So with that said, I can think of 2 packages off the top of my head that "fit" the asking price:

1)  Kulemin + Aulie/Franson + 1st

or

2)  Kadri + Schenn/Gardiner + 1st

Not saying we should do either one (or the Ducks would accept either one), but it looks like it would have to be something along those lines.  Perhaps a Kadri + Aulie + 1st would work also but I think they could get a better package elsewhere.

 

[Erndog]

Rumour has Carolina interested in Bobby.  Makes sense to pair him with Staal or Skinner.

If they offer up their first round pick (which could be a top 5 pick at this point) all bets are off.  They could add Brandon Sutter or one of their decent young D-men (McBain or Faulk) and I think both clubs make that deal.  All hinges on them wanting to part with a likely top 5 pick.

 

[Fanatic]

Acquiring a talent like Ryan would be very exciting. The Leafs are young enough and doing well enough in the standings that giving up a first round pick in a package could be justified for a guy like Ryan. I also do not think anyone would mind giving up Kadri and some others. But why would Anaheim want a guy that cannot make the Leafs line up.

It is fun to think about getting Ryan, but realistically it won't happen. When names like Schenn and Gardiner are tossed around I cringe. They are the type of players that might be just as rare as a guy like Ryan.

At any rate, big trades of late have always come as a surprise. Phaneuf, Lupul etc. - there was never any advance buzz going on about those trades. I just do not see this happening.

 

[Corn Flake]

Pierre McGuire and the boys were discussing this on the Team1200 this morning.  They mentioned the "reported asking price" is, and I can't remember the exact adjective they used for the forward but they said, "a good young forward, a top young d-man and a 1st round pick."  Pretty much the typical template for a move like this.

So with that said, I can think of 2 packages off the top of my head that "fit" the asking price:

1)  Kulemin + Aulie/Franson + 1st

or

2)  Kadri + Schenn/Gardiner + 1st

Not saying we should do either one (or the Ducks would accept either one), but it looks like it would have to be something along those lines.  Perhaps a Kadri + Aulie + 1st would work also but I think they could get a better package elsewhere.

Ducks have a nice collection of young d-men. I think they ask for two forwards plus a 1st.. Kadri, Kulemin 1st type scenario.  Leafs could sweeten the deal by taking on Blake and burying him somewhere... something a Carolina is going to have no business doing.

 

[Fanatic]

Pierre McGuire and the boys were discussing this on the Team1200 this morning.  They mentioned the "reported asking price" is, and I can't remember the exact adjective they used for the forward but they said, "a good young forward, a top young d-man and a 1st round pick."  Pretty much the typical template for a move like this.

So with that said, I can think of 2 packages off the top of my head that "fit" the asking price:

1)  Kulemin + Aulie/Franson + 1st

or

2)  Kadri + Schenn/Gardiner + 1st

Not saying we should do either one (or the Ducks would accept either one), but it looks like it would have to be something along those lines.  Perhaps a Kadri + Aulie + 1st would work also but I think they could get a better package elsewhere.

Ducks have a nice collection of young d-men. I think they ask for two forwards plus a 1st.. Kadri, Kulemin 1st type scenario.  Leafs could sweeten the deal by taking on Blake and burying him somewhere... something a Carolina is going to have no business doing.

I think the Blake thing is perhaps the best angle the Leafs have. Take him and bury him - the Leafs can pay him in the minors and Anahein saves a lot of money.

 

[Zee]

Pierre McGuire and the boys were discussing this on the Team1200 this morning.  They mentioned the "reported asking price" is, and I can't remember the exact adjective they used for the forward but they said, "a good young forward, a top young d-man and a 1st round pick."  Pretty much the typical template for a move like this.

So with that said, I can think of 2 packages off the top of my head that "fit" the asking price:

1)  Kulemin + Aulie/Franson + 1st

or

2)  Kadri + Schenn/Gardiner + 1st

Not saying we should do either one (or the Ducks would accept either one), but it looks like it would have to be something along those lines.  Perhaps a Kadri + Aulie + 1st would work also but I think they could get a better package elsewhere.

Ducks have a nice collection of young d-men. I think they ask for two forwards plus a 1st.. Kadri, Kulemin 1st type scenario.  Leafs could sweeten the deal by taking on Blake and burying him somewhere... something a Carolina is going to have no business doing.

I think the Blake thing is perhaps the best angle the Leafs have. Take him and bury him - the Leafs can pay him in the minors and Anahein saves a lot of money.

If a move happens to the Leafs it's going to happen soon or not at all.  Burke has his own self-imposed Christmas trading deadline that is coming up real fast.

 

[Erndog]

Pierre McGuire and the boys were discussing this on the Team1200 this morning.  They mentioned the "reported asking price" is, and I can't remember the exact adjective they used for the forward but they said, "a good young forward, a top young d-man and a 1st round pick."  Pretty much the typical template for a move like this.

So with that said, I can think of 2 packages off the top of my head that "fit" the asking price:

1)  Kulemin + Aulie/Franson + 1st

or

2)  Kadri + Schenn/Gardiner + 1st

Not saying we should do either one (or the Ducks would accept either one), but it looks like it would have to be something along those lines.  Perhaps a Kadri + Aulie + 1st would work also but I think they could get a better package elsewhere.

Ducks have a nice collection of young d-men. I think they ask for two forwards plus a 1st.. Kadri, Kulemin 1st type scenario.  Leafs could sweeten the deal by taking on Blake and burying him somewhere... something a Carolina is going to have no business doing.

To be honest, if I was the Ducks, I would ask for 3 current assets.  Like you said, 2 forwards and a D.

Why?  Well, with Perry and Getzlaf still on board, and Fowler and Hiller, as well as a strong prospect group as it is, they are in the business of winning now/soon.  They aren't in a full retool, rebuild mode.  Also, you have to consider that next season they are faced with Perry and Getzlaf as possible free agents.  You don't want ANOTHER terrible year (acquiring a 1st round pick likely won't help them next year).  Otherwise you face both Perry and Getzlaf signing elsewhere.

So, I would think they want to remain comeptitive as soon as next year.

With that said, I think a Kulemin + Kadri + Aulie package would certainly entice them.  That's $4.9M cap hit going back there way.  Ryan is a $5.1M cap hit so those jive.

Also, Ryan is due to be paid in actual dollars $5,562,500 this year, so they would likely save around $600K in real money.  Again, something that as we've heard, is pretty important to them considering they are on a tight budget.  We could even take a salary dump back like a Belesky or something to save them more $ (and get them under the 50 contract limit).

I really think the pieces are there to make this work from both sides.