Flyers fire Laviolette

[Deebo]

He's outscored Richards since the trade.

By 5 points in 5 more games, Richards brings more of a well rounded game and plays the more important position.

 

[Sudafederov]

Won't happen, but I'd like to see Pat Quinn there.

 

[princedpw]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

 

[Frank E]

Why can't the Flyers treat their employees with a little more patience and grow them?

You'd think this was a performance based business or something.

 

[Kin]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

I don't know. Pronger is obviously great but he'd be likely to be slowing down anyway right now so I tend to think the goaltending is the bigger problem.

 

[bustaheims]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

Their biggest problem is actually much more obvious than that - they're a bad team 5 on 5. They have trouble scoring without the powerplay and keeping the puck out of the net when not focused on defence like when they're on the PK.

 

[Tigger]

3 games? Hmmm.

 

[Omallley]

Cripes, you'd think if you didn't fire him last season and gave him a vote of confidence during the offseason, that it would take more than 3 games to decide that he was the problem.

Not necessarily a bad choice, but just the wrong time to make it.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

Their biggest problem is actually much more obvious than that - they're a bad team 5 on 5. They have trouble scoring without the powerplay and keeping the puck out of the net when not focused on defence like when they're on the PK.

And you don't think that has something to do with the lack of Pronger on the team?

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

I don't know about the relative performance of Richards and Carter and the people they were traded for ..but it seems to be that back when the flyers had richards, carter, and JVR ..scoring wasn't as much of an issue ..now it seems like a giant one.  3 games this season is an insanely small sample size..but I can see why they're freaking out as the problems they're having right now seem to be the exact same as the ones they had in preseason ...and most of last year. 

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

Their biggest problem is actually much more obvious than that - they're a bad team 5 on 5. They have trouble scoring without the powerplay and keeping the puck out of the net when not focused on defence like when they're on the PK.

And you don't think that has something to do with the lack of Pronger on the team?

it wasn't pronger in his prime they lost ..actually i felt he'd already lost a step before he went out with the concussions ....i'm not saying that means he'd be easy to replace..but i  think much easier to replace than say Pronger when he was with Edmonton

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

Their biggest problem is actually much more obvious than that - they're a bad team 5 on 5. They have trouble scoring without the powerplay and keeping the puck out of the net when not focused on defence like when they're on the PK.

And you don't think that has something to do with the lack of Pronger on the team?

it wasn't pronger in his prime they lost ..actually i felt he'd already lost a step before he went out with the concussions ....i'm not saying that means he'd be easy to replace..but i  think much easier to replace than say Pronger when he was with Edmonton

Yeah perhaps you're right.

 

[TimKerr]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

Their biggest problem is actually much more obvious than that - they're a bad team 5 on 5. They have trouble scoring without the powerplay and keeping the puck out of the net when not focused on defence like when they're on the PK.

And you don't think that has something to do with the lack of Pronger on the team?

it wasn't pronger in his prime they lost ..actually i felt he'd already lost a step before he went out with the concussions ....i'm not saying that means he'd be easy to replace..but i  think much easier to replace than say Pronger when he was with Edmonton

The Flyers went to the Finals with Michael Leighton as their starting goalie. Pronger was on defence.
He was the largest loss by far on this team.

 

[bustaheims]

And you don't think that has something to do with the lack of Pronger on the team?

I think there's a bigger issue with their defensive play as a whole and I don't think a 39 year old Pronger would have enough of an impact to a significantly change things - especially when once you take away the player(s) they've been able to add thanks to being afforded some cap flexibility by putting Pronger on LTIR.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

Their biggest problem is actually much more obvious than that - they're a bad team 5 on 5. They have trouble scoring without the powerplay and keeping the puck out of the net when not focused on defence like when they're on the PK.

And you don't think that has something to do with the lack of Pronger on the team?

it wasn't pronger in his prime they lost ..actually i felt he'd already lost a step before he went out with the concussions ....i'm not saying that means he'd be easy to replace..but i  think much easier to replace than say Pronger when he was with Edmonton

The Flyers went to the Finals with Michael Leighton as their starting goalie. Pronger was on defence.
He was the largest loss by far on this team.

I guess i have a hard time believing that.  Like it's a team sport and yes some guys are bigger hits than others when you lose them.  But look at ottawa last year.  They lost Karlson who had just won the norris the season before and still found a way into the playoffs.  If losing pronger was that big a deal seriously..it means the team had nothing else back there at all...

 

[ZBBM]

Without knowing anything of the situation -- why Berube of all people?

Yeah, it kind of screams "No Plan"...

Seems like this is just another Ed Snider reactive decision.

We harp on Holmgren but you know Snider is driving a huge percentage of what happens to that team.  No way a GM signs and then buys out a goalie 2 yrs later for the cash they did and doesn't get canned if the boss knows it's not his fault ... along with all the other goofball things they've done recently.

Holmgren is just a puppet.

My thoughts exactly.  Snider is trumpeted as some kind of elder stateman of the owners, but I think he's in some ways worse than Wang.  Their inability to get any kind of decent goaltender, over so many years, needs to be laid at the doorstep of ownership.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, if Snider were to apply his own logic in firing Laviolette to himself, he'd remorsefully donate the franchise to the Archdiocese of Philadelphia.

 

[TimKerr]

The biggest problem with the flyers over the last couple of years is simply that they have lost Pronger (then to a much lesser extent Carle and Timmonen is older).  Pronger was just that good.

Their forwards have an abundance of talent.

Also, I wouldn't  write off B. Schenn yet.  Let's wait a few more years.

Their biggest problem is actually much more obvious than that - they're a bad team 5 on 5. They have trouble scoring without the powerplay and keeping the puck out of the net when not focused on defence like when they're on the PK.

And you don't think that has something to do with the lack of Pronger on the team?

it wasn't pronger in his prime they lost ..actually i felt he'd already lost a step before he went out with the concussions ....i'm not saying that means he'd be easy to replace..but i  think much easier to replace than say Pronger when he was with Edmonton

The Flyers went to the Finals with Michael Leighton as their starting goalie. Pronger was on defence.
He was the largest loss by far on this team.

I guess i have a hard time believing that.  Like it's a team sport and yes some guys are bigger hits than others when you lose them.  But look at ottawa last year.  They lost Karlson who had just won the norris the season before and still found a way into the playoffs.  If losing pronger was that big a deal seriously..it means the team had nothing else back there at all...

Right, that is exactly what it means. The team had nothing back there at all.
Look at their signings this year, Mark Streit at 35 years old for 4 years?!?! Hal Gill for 1 year?
They are dying to get some defensive talent and when you combine a poor D with poor goaltending, then you have a team who fires their coach after 3 games.

 

[Jalili]

The Flyers went to the Finals with Michael Leighton as their starting goalie. Pronger was on defence.
He was the largest loss by far on this team.

It may sound strange to some, but it's the truth.

Back in the day I used to say that if there was one D-man I could pick for a playoff run, it would be Chris Pronger without hesitation. He was THAT good.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Paul Holmgren is a terrible GM and this is just a last ditch effort to save his own butt. He'll be next if the Flyers can't turn things around in a hurry. Laviolette is a better coach than Holmgren is a GM I'll tell you that much.
I wouldn't expect anything less of Philly in hiring a cement-head like Berube to be their next coach!  :

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

Paul Holmgren is a terrible GM and this is just a last ditch effort to save his own butt. He'll be next if the Flyers can't turn things around in a hurry. Laviolette is a better coach than Holmgren is a GM I'll tell you that much.
I wouldn't expect anything less of Philly in hiring a cement-head like Berube to be their next coach!  :

I don't really know much about berube as a coach..but if that press conference was any indication ...he's not going to have a lot to say