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Game 12 - Leafs @ Devils - Wednesday Nov 2nd, 2011 - 19:30 EST - 5-3 Win

Bender said:
At the same time I can hardly fault Gus on that Zubrus goal.
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I don't think many people are. But you also can't really fault the coaching staff. It was a 3-on-2 in favour of us and the two Devils just walked past the defencemen (arguably our two best this season).
 
Tigger said:
Stebro said:
Potvin29 said:
Stebro said:
What do I expect from the leafs? 85% or so.
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That would be top 5 in the league the last few seasons.  A tad unrealistic for what this group has shown.
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Well you must aim for high standards. What's worrying me is just the fact that we haven't seen any real improvement from year to year. And I still say that any team can have a great pk if you just work at it. There have been plenty of teams that are quite average, but have one scoring line, and great special teams who actually win titles. We can't go into a playoff with a penalty killing like this. The coaching staff must do something.
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The playoffs are a ways off, the next game is what matters however the 'high standards' you're referring to here are your own, the top 5 pk units last year hovered around that mark. Saying 'if you just work at it' is to claim that most teams don't, which is completely false.
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Well is it reasonable to assume that they are doing the right things if we stink 5 years in a row?
 
PK is too passive pretty simple.  The good ones pressure more, we have all been preaching this and for whatever reason the coaching does not wish to employ this approach.  We have a mobile and speedy enough group that we should be pressuring the on the PK all the time.
 
Bender said:
At the same time I can hardly fault Gus on that Zubrus goal.
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And, I'm not putting the blame for that particular goal on him. I'm just saying a big part of the reason the PK has been bad since Wilson took over behind the Leafs' bench is that the goaltending has been pretty bad for that same stretch.
 
leafplasma said:
PK is too passive pretty simple.  The good ones pressure more, we have all been preaching this and for whatever reason the coaching does not wish to employ this approach.  We have a mobile and speedy enough group that we should be pressuring the on the PK all the time.
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I completely agree with you. And if things doesn't work, the coaching staff must change their approach. And to be honest Wilson doesn't strike me as that guy who changes his views if things doesn't work. I think that he's the kind of a coach that just run things the way he thinks is right, and if it doesn't work he will find other reasons for it, such as not working hard enough or making individual mistakes etc.
 
Stebro said:
That still doesn't explain how our pk can suck year after year. What does it say about the coaching staff if things doesn't improve? It's one thing if you constantly lose on even strength due to poor depth, or if you can't score on the pp because you don't have the right players. But basically every team can be taught to play decent pk even with bad players. So I still turn my focuse to Wilson and the coaching staff. And if we the players constantly leave others in front of the net, or are unfocused just before the penalties end, then the coaching staff must do something.
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In 07/08, with Maurice at the helm, the Leafs were 29th on the pk, it's difficult for me to agree with you based on what you're saying.
 
Not sure why Parise didn't get a penalty for pretty much tripping Gustavsson earlier on that play . . . but, not pressuring Kovlachuk there was just sad.
 
Tigger said:
Stebro said:
That still doesn't explain how our pk can suck year after year. What does it say about the coaching staff if things doesn't improve? It's one thing if you constantly lose on even strength due to poor depth, or if you can't score on the pp because you don't have the right players. But basically every team can be taught to play decent pk even with bad players. So I still turn my focuse to Wilson and the coaching staff. And if we the players constantly leave others in front of the net, or are unfocused just before the penalties end, then the coaching staff must do something.
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In 07/08, with Maurice at the helm, the Leafs were 29th on the pk, it's difficult for me to agree with you based on what you're saying.
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Well who's been coaching the team since then?
 
Well, that stat -- 7 games out of 12 with at least 2 PP goals against -- is what will sink this team if they don't get it fixed.
 
Ok Our PK is utterly ridiculous.


7 of the 12 games we have allowed at least 2 pp goals... I dont think I've ever heard a stat like that.

Absolutely terrible
 
As far as the statements about the PK sucking during Wilson's entire tenure here go, the PK has been in the bottom-5 (bottom-6 in one year) in the league since the lockout. That's 3 head coaches, multiple assistant coaches, countless of penalty killers, and a rotating door of mostly useless goalies.
 
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