Goaltending conundrum
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Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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Peter D. said:
He has a terrible contract. Stay away.
bustaheims
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Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
It's actually not that bad. As much as I love to bag on Luongo, he is a world class goalie, and getting him for a cap hit of $5.33M is a great deal. The contract is just a few seasons too long, though, I mean, who knows what the lay of the land will be in 2022.
bustaheims said:
For a guy as good as Luongo, I honestly couldn't care less how long his contract is. The fact that the cap hit is very reasonable is just a huge bonus.
leafplasma
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Mark Owuya is the only guy that can stop the puck on a terrible Reading Royals team. 5 other goalies have GAA north of 3, yet Owuya sits at 2.63 with a .930 save %.
He has 2 shutouts in his last 3 games with a 55 save shutout last game out. Pair this with his solid Marlie numbers and you have a guy still just 22 with a lot of promise. He should get a full season with the Marlies next year hopefully as the number one. Scrivens may supplant Reimer with the Leafs or one of the two will likely be dealt I would think.
He has 2 shutouts in his last 3 games with a 55 save shutout last game out. Pair this with his solid Marlie numbers and you have a guy still just 22 with a lot of promise. He should get a full season with the Marlies next year hopefully as the number one. Scrivens may supplant Reimer with the Leafs or one of the two will likely be dealt I would think.
Guilt Trip
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Don't wory Allaire will fix that fo him.....or notZee said:
GhostofPotvin29
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bustaheims said:
Perhaps I am misreading the post in this thread but I have to disagree that the primary requirement is "experience". I think the primary requirement is being good at stopping pucks. Giguere was here, was bad at stopping pucks, was a great teammate and good guy, but had no significant positive impact on the team's won-loss record that I could see. The leafs continued to plummet down the standings while he was here.
So again, I'm not against bringing in another goalie or against bringing in a goalie over 30. I just don't think people should expect something good to happen if the focus is on experience instead of good play.
Having said that, I'm already pretty close to giving up on next season too. Maybe we should bring in no goalies and tank all the way through the next year for the #1 pick.
GhostofPotvin29
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Food for thought: http://theleafsnation.com/2012/4/3/with-average-goaltending-the-leafs-would-have-made-the-playoffs
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Optimus Reimer
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Maybe the problem is with Allaire because the goalies should not be giving so many softies and they should have better positioning.
bustaheims
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Optimus Reimer said:
Positioning is largely instinctual and, while it can be improved coaching, it's up to the individual goalies to be able to put it into practice. Most of the soft goal also have to do with poor positioning, instincts, etc.
L K
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The only thing I really don't like is Burke did another drive by on the players with the media to defend his guys. Paraphrased to "stop picking on Allaire, the players suck, blame them for once". I really don't think the media has been defending the players at all this year. Burke made it seem like the only criticism of the team this year has been:
Wilson (fired - check) ---> Burke (angry - check) ---> Allaire (...)
I wish the GM would spend as much time fixing the mess as he does justifying a lack of results. Whether the goaltending is Allaire's fault or not, the results just aren't there, and to me, what someone did 10 years ago (Giguere) and 30 years ago (Roy) is extremely irrelevant to today if results aren't coming. Maybe it is just the personnel, but the bottom line is that Allaire was brought in to help make the goaltending better, which he hasn't been able to do so far (although his reputation is why we have Gus/Scrivens/Owuya in the system so you do have to balance the lack of results against some of the potential that was acquired because of his presence).
Every part of the team should be held under the microscope when you have a collapse like the one that happened this year. The trainers, medical staff, professional scouts, GMs, coaches, players, and anyone else who is able to influence the preparation or performance on the ice.
Scrivens last year - .924 SV% in 33 AHL games
Scrivens this year - .925 SV% in 37 AHL games
Gustavsson's first year with the Leafs - 2.87 GAA .902 SV% in 42 games
Gustavsson's last year with the Leafs - 2.92 GAA .902 SV% in 42 games
Jussi Rynnas last year - .911 SV% in 30 AHL games
Jussi Rynnas this year - .911 SV% in 19 AHL games
James Reimer 2 years ago in AHL - .925 SV% in 26 games
James Reimer last year in the AHL - .920 SV% in 15 games
James Reimer last year in NHL - .921 SV% in 37 games
James Reimer this year in NHL - .900 SV%
Obviously SV% doesn't necessarily tell you whether a goaltender is playing a sounder game in net so it's nothing major to look at, but there really hasn't been much of a progression in terms of results from anyone in the system since Allaire came into the fold. Lack of results doesn't prove that Allaire isn't a top notch goaltending coach (because it's still a small sample size to look at and expect perfect results every time) but at the same time, I think you can fairly say that Allaire hasn't been able to turn what the Leafs have given him into production, and whether that is a fair request or not, it's his job.
When the PK sucked, posters went after Acton (even though he stopped running the PK years ago). When the team comes out flat for games, Wilson/Carlyle get the brunt of the criticism. When the team fails to show up with any intensity for a big game, Captain Phaneuf gets ripped for his lack of leadership and inability to get the team going. When Komisarek plays statue in front of the net and lets guys get easy tap ins, we ream him out.
Allaire shouldn't be immune to criticism.
Wilson (fired - check) ---> Burke (angry - check) ---> Allaire (...)
I wish the GM would spend as much time fixing the mess as he does justifying a lack of results. Whether the goaltending is Allaire's fault or not, the results just aren't there, and to me, what someone did 10 years ago (Giguere) and 30 years ago (Roy) is extremely irrelevant to today if results aren't coming. Maybe it is just the personnel, but the bottom line is that Allaire was brought in to help make the goaltending better, which he hasn't been able to do so far (although his reputation is why we have Gus/Scrivens/Owuya in the system so you do have to balance the lack of results against some of the potential that was acquired because of his presence).
Every part of the team should be held under the microscope when you have a collapse like the one that happened this year. The trainers, medical staff, professional scouts, GMs, coaches, players, and anyone else who is able to influence the preparation or performance on the ice.
Scrivens last year - .924 SV% in 33 AHL games
Scrivens this year - .925 SV% in 37 AHL games
Gustavsson's first year with the Leafs - 2.87 GAA .902 SV% in 42 games
Gustavsson's last year with the Leafs - 2.92 GAA .902 SV% in 42 games
Jussi Rynnas last year - .911 SV% in 30 AHL games
Jussi Rynnas this year - .911 SV% in 19 AHL games
James Reimer 2 years ago in AHL - .925 SV% in 26 games
James Reimer last year in the AHL - .920 SV% in 15 games
James Reimer last year in NHL - .921 SV% in 37 games
James Reimer this year in NHL - .900 SV%
Obviously SV% doesn't necessarily tell you whether a goaltender is playing a sounder game in net so it's nothing major to look at, but there really hasn't been much of a progression in terms of results from anyone in the system since Allaire came into the fold. Lack of results doesn't prove that Allaire isn't a top notch goaltending coach (because it's still a small sample size to look at and expect perfect results every time) but at the same time, I think you can fairly say that Allaire hasn't been able to turn what the Leafs have given him into production, and whether that is a fair request or not, it's his job.
When the PK sucked, posters went after Acton (even though he stopped running the PK years ago). When the team comes out flat for games, Wilson/Carlyle get the brunt of the criticism. When the team fails to show up with any intensity for a big game, Captain Phaneuf gets ripped for his lack of leadership and inability to get the team going. When Komisarek plays statue in front of the net and lets guys get easy tap ins, we ream him out.
Allaire shouldn't be immune to criticism.
Optimus Reimer
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bustaheims said:
The number of softies that Leafs goalies have let in this season and in the past several seasons have shown that Leaf goalies do not have proper positioning. At some point it is up to the goaltending coach to see those flaws and correct them because sadly to say but none of the goalies in the Leafs system are good enough to carry any team into the playoffs.
GhostofPotvin29
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L K said:
Maybe it shows more the problem with just showing their SV%, but take Rynnas. Now he's up to a .914SV% and his GAA is down around .30 points or so from last season. Scrivens' GAA is down a similar amount. In Scrivens' case, how much more improvement can one really expect from a .924 SV%? One of the top goalie prospects (Jacob Markstrom) is at .927SV%.
I don't really see how Rynnas and Scrivens improving (even if marginally in their sv%) from already good-to-excellent numbers is to be used to discredit Allaire?