Goaltending conundrum

[Tigger]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

Boy, some of them double dipped too, Nashville with Suter and Weber, Anaheim with Getzlaf and Perry, Chicago got Seabrook and Byfuglien too.

Parise went at 17, Dallas got Eriksson in the second round, oi!

And there's Toronto with it's first pick at #57 and they get John Doherty... :'(

Ack... I know it's a bit much to go back and compare but the Leafs could have kept McCauley and Boyes, not made the trade with San Jose that Boston did, and grabbed Parise or Getzlaf...

Draft schmaft.

*sigh*

 

[Etiam Vultus]

After watching yet another 3-0 lead get blown in these playoffs, (this time by New Jersey), I am starting to think that a goaltender with a .900 save percentage is looking pretty good!  Maybe we misunderstood that the Leafs goalies were in playoff mode all season???

 

[Arn]

Mark Andre Fleury's trade value must be low at the minute. Fleury and Staal for Phaneuf, Bozak and Schenn? ;-)

 

[bustaheims]

Mark Andre Fleury's trade value must be low at the minute. Fleury and Staal for Phaneuf, Bozak and Schenn? ;-)

Fleury's trade value is low for a reason - he's decidedly average.

 

[L K]

Mark Andre Fleury's trade value must be low at the minute. Fleury and Staal for Phaneuf, Bozak and Schenn? ;-)

Fleury's trade value is low for a reason - he's decidedly average.

He's an improvement on Reimer but yeah, I'm not touching Mr. Self Implosion.  Despite having a Cup and two finals appearances, he has a sparking .905 SV% in the postseason and a .909 SV% in the regular season.  The Penguins aren't the most dominant defensive team in the world but they are way better than the Leafs by virtue of puck possession alone.  Terrible Roberto Luongo has a .916 SV% in the postseason.

 

[Corn Flake]

If Kiprusoff actually hits the open market... Go. Get. Now.

 

[Corn Flake]

re: Scrivens, I'm getting mixed messages on whether he is subject to waivers next year.  According to this CBA clause, I believe he is not subject to waivers at the start of next year:

A Player 25 years old or older who plays in one or more
professional games in any season shall be exempt from regular
season waivers for the remainder of that season and from the
waiver draft in the next season.

 

[bustaheims]

re: Scrivens, I'm getting mixed messages on whether he is subject to waivers next year.  According to this CBA clause, I believe he is not subject to waivers at the start of next year:

A Player 25 years old or older who plays in one or more
professional games in any season shall be exempt from regular
season waivers for the remainder of that season and from the
waiver draft in the next season.

That's from an older CBA (there's nothing about a waiver draft in the current one), but, it also applied to him this season - as in, the one that just ended. The current CBA lays out an example of a 25+ year old player in a similar situation to Scrivens, and he is definitely subject to waivers starting as soon as July 1st this summer.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I mean, I like Scrivens and all, but unless he sets records in the playoffs this year he'll probably go through waivers easily at the end of training camp.

 

[Corn Flake]

I mean, I like Scrivens and all, but unless he sets records in the playoffs this year he'll probably go through waivers easily at the end of training camp.

Easily?  I don't think he would clear.  He's pretty highly regarded out there, is considered basically NHL ready and a long playoff run coming up might cement it. 

Edmonton or NYI as they stand now could sure use a promising young goalie ready to move into an NHL backup role.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I mean, I like Scrivens and all, but unless he sets records in the playoffs this year he'll probably go through waivers easily at the end of training camp.

Easily?  I don't think he would clear.  He's pretty highly regarded out there, is considered basically NHL ready and a long playoff run coming up might cement it. 

Edmonton or NYI as they stand now could sure use a promising young goalie ready to move into an NHL backup role.

The Islanders already have Nabokov and DiPietro signed to contracts next season. They could also potentially bring back Montoya, who knows. On the farm they have Poulin and Nilsson, one of whom will likely be ready for the back-up role when DiPietro inevitably gets injured.

As for Edmonton, Khabibulin is signed to a contract and they'll almost surely re-sign Dubnyk who is a RFA, so no space there.

 

[bustaheims]

The Islanders already have Nabokov and DiPietro signed to contracts next season. They could also potentially bring back Montoya, who knows. On the farm they have Poulin and Nilsson, one of whom will likely be ready for the back-up role when DiPietro inevitably gets injured.

As for Edmonton, Khabibulin is signed to a contract and they'll almost surely re-sign Dubnyk who is a RFA, so no space there.

Tampa Bay's the next most likely target, but, realistically, they'll have attended to their goaltending issues well before Scrivens would face waivers at the end of training camp. Really, the only reason he might get claimed at that point is if a team loses a goalie in camp and doesn't have a viable replacement in house.

 

[Corn Flake]

I mean, I like Scrivens and all, but unless he sets records in the playoffs this year he'll probably go through waivers easily at the end of training camp.

Easily?  I don't think he would clear.  He's pretty highly regarded out there, is considered basically NHL ready and a long playoff run coming up might cement it. 

Edmonton or NYI as they stand now could sure use a promising young goalie ready to move into an NHL backup role.

The Islanders already have Nabokov and DiPietro signed to contracts next season. They could also potentially bring back Montoya, who knows. On the farm they have Poulin and Nilsson, one of whom will likely be ready for the back-up role when DiPietro inevitably gets injured.

As for Edmonton, Khabibulin is signed to a contract and they'll almost surely re-sign Dubnyk who is a RFA, so no space there.

Injuries, UFA holes to fill, backups (ie: Brent Johnson) to be dumped or relegated to the Swiss league, etc. 

Lots of change to come and openings to be filled no doubt.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Injuries, UFA holes to fill, backups (ie: Brent Johnson) to be dumped or relegated to the Swiss league, etc. 

Lots of change to come and openings to be filled no doubt.

Just to continue looking at specific examples, if Brent Johnson goes the Pens will likely turn to Brad Thiessen, who was the AHL's best goalie last season.

As for UFA holes to fill, busta brings up the point that Scrivens will only be in danger of having to clear waivers at the end of training camp. If a NHL team doesn't have two NHL capable goalies on their roster at that point then they are in some serious trouble.

 

[Tigger]

Edmonton or NYI as they stand now could sure use a promising young goalie ready to move into an NHL backup role.

...so could Toronto.

 

[Peter D.]

This point wouldn't rectify the current situation, but I was curious to see how many goalies the Leafs have drafted under Burke's tenure and found out that is has only been one (Garret Sparks last year in the 7th round).

He has obviously gone the way of the "free wallet", signing Gustavsson, Rynnas, Owuya and Scrivens.  I wouldn't mind seeing the Leafs draft an 18-year old goalie with a 2nd round pick or move up into the latter part of the 1st round to grab their hands on a guy they can groom within the system from the outset. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Luongo...

 

[dappleganger]

Luongo...

I'm hoping Schneider leads the Canucks all the way to the Stanley Cup. Luongo would be available at wholesale prices.
 

 

[bustaheims]

He's an improvement on Reimer but yeah, I'm not touching Mr. Self Implosion.  Despite having a Cup and two finals appearances, he has a sparking .905 SV% in the postseason and a .909 SV% in the regular season.  The Penguins aren't the most dominant defensive team in the world but they are way better than the Leafs by virtue of puck possession alone.  Terrible Roberto Luongo has a .916 SV% in the postseason.

Yup. Really, Fleury represents a $3.2M extra in cap + asset costs to acquire him for what very easily could be nothing more than a marginal upgrade (if it's even that).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Luongo...

I'm hoping Schneider leads the Canucks all the way to the Stanley Cup. Luongo would be available at wholesale prices.
 

I've said before I'd pay pretty much any price to get Luongo. Here's hoping he does indeed become available. The Leafs would have been a playoff team with him this season. We'll deal with the problems his contract brings in 2021 when we get there.