Goaltending conundrum

[Rebel_1812]

Well, it's still better than Toskala's last two seasons here.

Not by using your twisted logic.  If we only look at the first 4 games of the 2006-2007 season (http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/hspgames.cgi) and remove the rest of the games of the season because they "stood out" . You will see that Raycroft is a good goalie with good numbers.
2 wins, 1 shutout. 152sav/165shot = 0.921 SA%

Now I'm confused. What does that have to do with Toskala?

I would have to go back through Toskala's record to hand pick which games he looked good in.

You will need very nimble hands to do that.

So, his hands need to be better than Toskala's glove hand is what you're saying.  ;D

or Raycroft's.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Hasek as a vetran backup?  :-X

I saw that report.  Why not give him a shot at training camp.  He isn't a proven commodity but none of the current options are.

 

[drummond]

Hasek as a vetran backup?  :-X

Allaire could get a serious headache from Hasek?s goalie style ;D

 

[895]

Hasek as a vetran backup?  :-X

Allaire could get a serious headache from Hasek?s goalie style ;D

One goalie he might actually NOT ruin.

 

[Fletch]

I admit that I haven't read all 114 pages in this thread, so I don't know if Tim Thomas's name has been in the mix on tmlfans.ca or not.  I know the name came up around the water cooler at work. 

I realize that he says he is taking the year off, but, with the right incentive, he could be talked into playing, I'm sure.  He says he wants to play in 2014 Olympics.  It would have been a good career move to play for the GM who built the 2010 team, and who will probably have a hand or two in building 2014 (assuming the NHL players go to Sochi).  That, and getting away from teammates who don't want him around any more, may be all the incentive needed.

I think he probably took himself out of the conversation today though.  He came out in support of an organization that is outspoken against gay marriage.  http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=401559

With Brian Burke's support of gay rights, including marching in the Pride Parade, I doubt that he would welcome him to Toronto now.  He might have disqualified himself from the Olympics if Burke is running the program.

I really liked Thomas, but, I can't support anyone who uses his celebrity to speak out against gay rights, just as I wouldn't support any celebrity who made racist remarks, or any other hateful remarks.

 

[hap_leaf]

I really liked Thomas, but, I can't support anyone who uses his celebrity to speak out against gay rights, just as I wouldn't support any celebrity who made racist remarks, or any other hateful remarks.

If I understand Thomas correctly, he just wants to be seen as a "regular person" who can post things on Facebook like everybody else.  So I don't know that he is neccesarily using his status to promote his beliefs, but the press finds his posts and makes a news story out of it.

I think you are right, that it would be a terrible mix for Burke and Thomas to be working together in any capacity.

 

[Fletch]

I really liked Thomas, but, I can't support anyone who uses his celebrity to speak out against gay rights, just as I wouldn't support any celebrity who made racist remarks, or any other hateful remarks.

If I understand Thomas correctly, he just wants to be seen as a "regular person" who can post things on Facebook like everybody else.  So I don't know that he is neccesarily using his status to promote his beliefs, but the press finds his posts and makes a news story out of it.

I think you are right, that it would be a terrible mix for Burke and Thomas to be working together in any capacity.

Sure, but "regular" people don't often get invited to the white house.  Regular people don't make 5 or 6 million dollars.  regular people don't get hockey cards made of them.  They guy is not a regular person, any more than Sean Avery was a regular person when he made his homophobic remarks.

I think Charles Barkley once famously said "I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.".  Same situation.  Because he is in the public eye, he needs to be more aware of what he says, and has to know that the public won't allow him to be a "regular person".  He is a role model, and hero to many. 

Regardless, I think we agree, he is out of the mix, whether he was in it or not.

 

[Kin]

I think Charles Barkley once famously said "I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.".  Same situation.  Because he is in the public eye, he needs to be more aware of what he says, and has to know that the public won't allow him to be a "regular person".  He is a role model, and hero to many.

So...wait. Are you agreeing with Barkley or not? Barkley said that he shouldn't be considered a role model and that what he said shouldn't be subject to that level of scrutiny.

 

[hap_leaf]

I really liked Thomas, but, I can't support anyone who uses his celebrity to speak out against gay rights, just as I wouldn't support any celebrity who made racist remarks, or any other hateful remarks.

If I understand Thomas correctly, he just wants to be seen as a "regular person" who can post things on Facebook like everybody else.  So I don't know that he is neccesarily using his status to promote his beliefs, but the press finds his posts and makes a news story out of it.

I think you are right, that it would be a terrible mix for Burke and Thomas to be working together in any capacity.

Sure, but "regular" people don't often get invited to the white house.  Regular people don't make 5 or 6 million dollars.  regular people don't get hockey cards made of them.  They guy is not a regular person, any more than Sean Avery was a regular person when he made his homophobic remarks.

I think Charles Barkley once famously said "I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.".  Same situation.  Because he is in the public eye, he needs to be more aware of what he says, and has to know that the public won't allow him to be a "regular person".  He is a role model, and hero to many. 

Regardless, I think we agree, he is out of the mix, whether he was in it or not.

What a crazy world we have then.  Society can voice these standards on Tim Thomas when he does not want it, but Thomas cannot in turn voice his thoughts on society.  So much for equality and understanding, when you would prefer he has this to spare on the subject of gay rights.  Maybe he is jaded.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I really liked Thomas, but, I can't support anyone who uses his celebrity to speak out against gay rights, just as I wouldn't support any celebrity who made racist remarks, or any other hateful remarks.

If I understand Thomas correctly, he just wants to be seen as a "regular person" who can post things on Facebook like everybody else.  So I don't know that he is neccesarily using his status to promote his beliefs, but the press finds his posts and makes a news story out of it.

I think you are right, that it would be a terrible mix for Burke and Thomas to be working together in any capacity.

Sure, but "regular" people don't often get invited to the white house.  Regular people don't make 5 or 6 million dollars.  regular people don't get hockey cards made of them.  They guy is not a regular person, any more than Sean Avery was a regular person when he made his homophobic remarks.
I think Charles Barkley once famously said "I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.".  Same situation.  Because he is in the public eye, he needs to be more aware of what he says, and has to know that the public won't allow him to be a "regular person".  He is a role model, and hero to many. 

Regardless, I think we agree, he is out of the mix, whether he was in it or not.

If I'm not mistaken, Avery's positions is/was in favor of marriage equality.

 

[Brian Glennie]

I don't care squat about player's political stances, articulated or not.

The Leafs desperately need goaltending and Burke will earn his keep for years to come, in my mind, if he could bring Thomas to Toronto. It's a tough deal to make, for sure, but he came here with a pedigree as being an elite GM and I don't imagine he'll be getting patted on the back a few months from now, or whenever there's going to be hockey, for having the foresight to run with Reimer? and who, Scrivens??

 

[jonlleafs]

I don't care squat about player's political stances, articulated or not.

The Leafs desperately need goaltending and Burke will earn his keep for years to come, in my mind, if he could bring Thomas to Toronto. It's a tough deal to make, for sure, but he came here with a pedigree as being an elite GM and I don't imagine he'll be getting patted on the back a few months from now, or whenever there's going to be hockey, for having the foresight to run with Reimer? and who, Scrivens??

Aside from the fact that Burke's son was gay and now Thomas being a little to open about his stances probably nixes any of those chances.  While Burke and the organization should ignore these things, it's almost like saying the guy is racist.  Would you want someone racist on your team?  No right?

 

[Hampreacher]

First of all Boston is not going to trade Thomas to the leafs. Just because Thomas holds those views does not make him a racist.

 

[dappleganger]

First of all Boston is not going to trade Thomas to the leafs. Just because Thomas holds those views does not make him a racist.

No, not a racist, a bigot.

 

[jdh1]

First of all Boston is not going to trade Thomas to the leafs. Just because Thomas holds those views does not make him a racist.

I agree...His views are not racist at all.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't think he was saying he was saying Thomas was a racist, but equating his stance on gay rights with someone who was against rights for people of a different race.  As in, if Thomas' views were racist views, would that impact on if you wanted him on the team?

 

[ZBBM]

I find Thomas' theo-political views, however you characterize them, offensive so for me personally no, I don't want him on the Leafs. 

Maybe other people can stomach anybody on their team no matter what they do or say off the ice so long as they produce on it.  Fine, but not me.

And yes, it's quite possible that other players on the Leafs now or in the recent past hold/held similar views, but I don't know one way or the other because they didn't publicize them like Thomas did.  As soon as he made a BF deal about it, he opened himself up to criticism.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I really liked Thomas, but, I can't support anyone who uses his celebrity to speak out against gay rights, just as I wouldn't support any celebrity who made racist remarks, or any other hateful remarks.

If I understand Thomas correctly, he just wants to be seen as a "regular person" who can post things on Facebook like everybody else.  So I don't know that he is neccesarily using his status to promote his beliefs, but the press finds his posts and makes a news story out of it.

I think you are right, that it would be a terrible mix for Burke and Thomas to be working together in any capacity.

Sure, but "regular" people don't often get invited to the white house.  Regular people don't make 5 or 6 million dollars.  regular people don't get hockey cards made of them.  They guy is not a regular person, any more than Sean Avery was a regular person when he made his homophobic remarks.

I think Charles Barkley once famously said "I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.".  Same situation.  Because he is in the public eye, he needs to be more aware of what he says, and has to know that the public won't allow him to be a "regular person".  He is a role model, and hero to many. 

Regardless, I think we agree, he is out of the mix, whether he was in it or not.

He has every right to his beliefs.  Regardless or whether you agree with him or not.  That's kind of why we have free speech laws.

 

[TML fan]

I love how the desperate Leafs fan solution to goaltending is to trade for a guy who said he doesn't want to play next year.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I really liked Thomas, but, I can't support anyone who uses his celebrity to speak out against gay rights, just as I wouldn't support any celebrity who made racist remarks, or any other hateful remarks.

If I understand Thomas correctly, he just wants to be seen as a "regular person" who can post things on Facebook like everybody else.  So I don't know that he is neccesarily using his status to promote his beliefs, but the press finds his posts and makes a news story out of it.

I think you are right, that it would be a terrible mix for Burke and Thomas to be working together in any capacity.

Sure, but "regular" people don't often get invited to the white house.  Regular people don't make 5 or 6 million dollars.  regular people don't get hockey cards made of them.  They guy is not a regular person, any more than Sean Avery was a regular person when he made his homophobic remarks.

I think Charles Barkley once famously said "I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.".  Same situation.  Because he is in the public eye, he needs to be more aware of what he says, and has to know that the public won't allow him to be a "regular person".  He is a role model, and hero to many. 

Regardless, I think we agree, he is out of the mix, whether he was in it or not.

He has every right to his beliefs.  Regardless or whether you agree with him or not.  That's kind of why we have free speech laws.

Who said he doesn't have a right to his beliefs?