Habs @ Leafs - Mar. 22nd, 7:00pm - CBC, SN 590

[Kin]

Could have demoted Orr instead.

Actually, they couldn't. One little wrinkle in the CBA prevents players who were on the NHL roster as of the trade deadline from being demoted after the trade deadline unless they were recalled on an emergency basis. Ashton and Holland were the only players who could be sent down - which now explains the paper transactions we saw with them on deadline day.

Feh. I bet it was Carlyle who wrote that into the CBA.

 

[lamajama]

True, but Raymond was searching for a contract and I'm sure wasn't happy going from $2+ mil to $1 mil. Next year he'll get a lot more than $1 mil to play. Hopefully not us. He's the type of player that plays best when playing for a contract.

Well, aside from the fact that he was "searching for a contract" after a year where he was playing for a contract, if Raymond needs to be replaced this off-season I think that's pretty easily doable too. None of these guys are great players.

Oh I agree.  Totally replaceable. That's why I hope they don't spend the $2 mil if will cost to sign him. I want Komarov even at $2 mil.

 

[ZBBM]

PJ Stock can be fired anytime, CBC.

 

[princedpw]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

What's the penalty for going over the salary cap anyways?

You forfeit your first round pick and, somehow, New Jersey gets it.

LOL.

 

[princedpw]

Could have demoted Orr instead.

Actually, they couldn't. One little wrinkle in the CBA prevents players who were on the NHL roster as of the trade deadline from being demoted after the trade deadline unless they were recalled on an emergency basis. Ashton and Holland were the only players who could be sent down - which now explains the paper transactions we saw with them on deadline day.

Interesting.  That is a pretty sharp observation. 

I wonder what would have happened if there was no legal move the Leafs could have made with Bolland coming off the LTIR?  It seems like that might have been a real possibility given these rules. ie: what would have happened if the Leafs had forgotten to account for the fact that Bolland might return?  Eg: Philly sure as hell didn't account for the fact Pronger might return so it seems likely there is no hard and fast rule ... ?

 

[bustaheims]

I wonder what would have happened if there was no legal move the Leafs could have made with Bolland coming off the LTIR?  It seems like that might have been a real possibility given these rules. ie: what would have happened if the Leafs had forgotten to account for the fact that Bolland might return?  Eg: Philly sure as hell didn't account for the fact Pronger might return so it seems likely there is no hard and fast rule ... ?

Well, that's one of the hazards of the cap. The league might be willing to make certain exceptions, but, teams are expected to have taken these things into consideration. If they don't, it's their fault for screwing up and the league is very much within in their rights to not allow the team to do anything.

 

[sickbeast]

Can the leafs remove Clarkson from the roster next season and basically pay him to do nothing?

 

[bustaheims]

Can the leafs remove Clarkson from the roster next season and basically pay him to do nothing?

They can pay him to be a healthy scratch every night, but they can't remove his cap hit completely without trading him.

 

[princedpw]

Let's not argue about who specifically replaced who to get the stats aligned the way we like them

I don't think that's necessary for the simple point of a Mac-like player in Raymond being available for significantly less being true. Regardless of the Clarkson deal, I'd rather have Raymond than Mac and if a team were looking to replace Mac last off-season there were better and cheaper options available.

[/quote]

Raymond has definitely turned out well.  He counts as a success for
Nonis.  It would have been nice to see both on the team.  Generally speaking, the Leafs offense is pretty good but if there is a weakness, it comes in secondary scoring.  Also, Mac (alongside Grabbo) was a pretty good possession guy.  Who knows, but the Leafs defense may be suffering in (some, small) part because we jettisoned those two.

--- overall, the offseason was a pretty big disaster for Nonis.

I take a back seat to nobody in my dislike for the Clarkson deal but I don't agree at all. What Bernier is and what he could be going forward alone make the summer's deals a net-positive for me.

Bernier does look pretty good.  However, for me, I would prefer (cap space, draft picks, Scrivens, Frattin) over (Bernier, Clarkson).  I can see a different point of view there though.  You can accuse me of being blinded by the deal that is Clarkson if you'd like . Let's hope he does something awesome in the offseason to turn things around for next year.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

LHF does the happy dance! Bolland's back tonight  ;D

 

[sickbeast]

Can the leafs remove Clarkson from the roster next season and basically pay him to do nothing?

They can pay him to be a healthy scratch every night, but they can't remove his cap hit completely without trading him.

then that completely negates anything positive that nonis has done. This albatross will haunt leaf fans for a very long time.

 

[Kessel Run]

Lets hope the boys are here to play starting from the drop of the puck.

 

[princedpw]

I wonder what would have happened if there was no legal move the Leafs could have made with Bolland coming off the LTIR?  It seems like that might have been a real possibility given these rules. ie: what would have happened if the Leafs had forgotten to account for the fact that Bolland might return?  Eg: Philly sure as hell didn't account for the fact Pronger might return so it seems likely there is no hard and fast rule ... ?

Well, that's one of the hazards of the cap. The league might be willing to make certain exceptions, but, teams are expected to have taken these things into consideration. If they don't, it's their fault for screwing up and the league is very much within in their rights to not allow the team to do anything.

I don't think the league could say that Bolland is not allowed to be declared healthy and come off the IR.  And the league clearly won't demand the Leafs simply forfeit all the rest of their games.  Some kind of scary-big penalty might be in order though I suppose.

 

[Jalili]

With Detroit winning this afternoon this is an absolute must win game.

I have faith that they're gonna bring it tonight. They usually do against the Habs anyway.

 

[13th fan]

I hope the refs are working for us tonight!

 

[iwas11in67]

Leafs by a couple.

 

[ZBBM]

Leafs by a couple.

Something like that.  We win this one.

 

[princedpw]

Can the leafs remove Clarkson from the roster next season and basically pay him to do nothing?

They can pay him to be a healthy scratch every night, but they can't remove his cap hit completely without trading him.

In the past, haven't teams parted ways with certain players under mutual agreement, particularly when that player goes to play in Europe?  I don't think this is the slightest bit likely with Clarkson, but it has happened, right?

One strategy if he doesn't improve is to put him in the minors for the rest of his career and hope he gets sick of it and retires.

 

[lamajama]

Jeez Leafs. At least give a nice stick. That's the same $5 wood stick they toss to fans. The Habs gave a goalie stick at least.

A nice composite would have helped the ref's attitude tonight...

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think the league could say that Bolland is not allowed to be declared healthy and come off the IR.  And the league clearly won't demand the Leafs simply forfeit all the rest of their games.  Some kind of scary-big penalty might be in order though I suppose.

By the letter of the law, they can. They can't say Bolland isn't healthy, but they can say the Leafs aren't allowed to make the necessary moves to activate him. They'd probably come up with another way to deal with it, because sticking to that point would cause issues with the PA, but, they're within their rights to do so.