Hamonic to CGY

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Per Lebrun

To Isles
1st
2nd
2nd

To CGY
Hamonic
4th

 

[Frank E]

Damn.

 

[princedpw]

Damn.

Would you have wanted the leafs to trade slightly more than that for Hamonic?  eg, straight-up 1st,2nd,2nd for him?

It would be interesting to do a tmlfans poll on that. 

I don't think I would want to do 1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamonic.  I'm not sure Hamonic is quite good enough for that outlay (not that I really know).  I think another defenseman will become available and/or we'll need those picks for cost-controlled players 3 years from now.

 

[Frank E]

Damn.

Would you have wanted the leafs to trade slightly more than that for Hamonic?  eg, straight-up 1st,2nd,2nd for him?

It would be interesting to do a tmlfans poll on that. 

I don't think I would want to do 1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamonic.  I'm not sure Hamonic is quite good enough for that outlay (not that I really know).  I think another defenseman will become available and/or we'll need those picks for cost-controlled players 3 years from now.

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating 1st round pick plus 2 2nds going the other way for Hamonic.  But a deal with JVR being the centerpiece, I'm good with. 

He's only got one year to go on this deal, and I was advocating trading him earlier this season while his production was good, he was healthy, and he had some affordable term left on his deal that would lead me to think he was reasonably valuable as a trade centerpiece.

I'm more looking at the Chicagos and Pittsburghs of the league, and noticing that they trade out significant players every year to maintain their consistent competitiveness while remaining cap compliant.  Following this template, complementary pieces that surround your core are likely to be changed up a fair bit over the coming years, or at least they should be.  The idea is to trade-out pieces while they're still valuable, and before they become expensive.

So I think we should be turning JVR and Bozak into different currency ASAP, and I think Hamonic would very much fill a need on this team right now.

 

[Kin]

Or, if NYI only wants draft picks, you trade a 1st, 2nd and 2nd for him and then use JVR and/or Bozak to try and recoup some of those picks elsewhere.

I don't know if Hamonic is necessarily the guy you want but there's a limited number of top 4 defensemen who are going to move this year and if you keep balking at their price you're going to be left as the guy without the chair.

 

[Deebo]

NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

 

[Frank E]

Or, if NYI only wants draft picks, you trade a 1st, 2nd and 2nd for him and then use JVR and/or Bozak to try and recoup some of those picks elsewhere.

I don't know if Hamonic is necessarily the guy you want but there's a limited number of top 4 defensemen who are going to move this year and if you keep balking at their price you're going to be left as the guy without the chair.

Sure, same thing, as long as the picks are recouped at this point of the process. 

The Leafs aren't at the same point Calgary is at, at least I don't think they are yet.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

Good point, also the origin of this deal stems from Hamonic requesting a trade to Western Canada early last season for family reasons.

 

[Frank E]

NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

Good point, also the origin of this deal stems from Hamonic requesting a trade to Western Canada early last season for family reasons.

Yeah, I forgot about that.

 

[Kin]

NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

That seems like a bit of a stretch. It's not like anyone out there would really be sweating getting burned by Travis Hamonic. If the reports were true and the Leafs were really in those discussions it seems likely that moving him to Toronto was ok both with the Islanders and Hamonic.

 

[Deebo]

The Isles beat writer seemed to think that was thier preference yesterday:

https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/878293461891416065

 

[princedpw]

Our offense will suffer if we trade JVR, but I agree that it is something we should do if we can get a defenseman out of it.  We'll push Leivo into his spot.  Trading Bozak is tougher as even with him, we are so thin at the moment that a single center injury puts us in a tough spot.

 

[Bates]

I think it has more with giving the player what he wants rather than fear of playing against him.  He asked for a trade out West last year for Family reasons. 

NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

That seems like a bit of a stretch. It's not like anyone out there would really be sweating getting burned by Travis Hamonic. If the reports were true and the Leafs were really in those discussions it seems likely that moving him to Toronto was ok both with the Islanders and Hamonic.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Giordano-Hamilton / Brodie-Hamonic is one heck of a top-4 defence group. I mean it's no Nashville but it's gotta be right in that group after them.

 

[disco]

Damn.

Would you have wanted the leafs to trade slightly more than that for Hamonic?  eg, straight-up 1st,2nd,2nd for him?

It would be interesting to do a tmlfans poll on that. 

I don't think I would want to do 1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamonic.  I'm not sure Hamonic is quite good enough for that outlay (not that I really know).  I think another defenseman will become available and/or we'll need those picks for cost-controlled players 3 years from now.

Agreed. Keep the picks and keep drafting D, better in the long run. The Big Three are fricking 19, 19 and 20.

 

[Kin]

I think it has more with giving the player what he wants rather than fear of playing against him.  He asked for a trade out West last year for Family reasons.

First off, it wasn't "last year". He made the request in November of 2015. So I don't buy that the guy asks out, the team makes him wait two years and then their primary focus is going to be on what he wants.

But second, like I said, I don't think the Leafs would have pursued this to the extent that we were going to start hearing about potential players involved if they didn't have a general sense that Hamonic would be alright with coming here.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Glad that Hamonic got his wish to be traded to a team closer to home.
If you haven't seen it, watch the E60 segment "In the Name of the Father".
You can't help but pull for Travis after you've seen it.
Winnipeg would have been perfect, but Calgary will be the next best thing for him.

 

[Bates]

I guess that other 7 months is a big deal hey?  I meant as in last season.  Of course the Islanders would like best return but I genuinely think they preferred to get best return from a place that the player wanted to go to and that is Western Canada.  I don't recall saying Hamonic didn't want to come here, just tgat his first choice was West.  As I'm sure he would have picked Winnipeg over Calgary but didn't get that chance.

I think it has more with giving the player what he wants rather than fear of playing against him.  He asked for a trade out West last year for Family reasons.

First off, it wasn't "last year". He made the request in November of 2015. So I don't buy that the guy asks out, the team makes him wait two years and then their primary focus is going to be on what he wants.

But second, like I said, I don't think the Leafs would have pursued this to the extent that we were going to start hearing about potential players involved if they didn't have a general sense that Hamonic would be alright with coming here.

 

[Kin]

I guess that other 7 months is a big deal hey?

When it happened is actually pretty significant because a lot of things can happen in that time span. Like, for instance, Hamonic's desire to be closer to home(as opposed to just "West) might have gone away slightly as he Got more involved in the local community or just the situation changed. In fact, it might have changed to the point where in the time since then and now Hamonic might have actually rescinded his trade request:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-travis-hamonic-rescinds-trade-request-islanders/

Of course that doesn't even get into the 3rd grade geography of the issue. Like I said, Hamonic wanted to be closer to home, not just a generic request to be flung westward and practically, in terms of distance to Winnipeg, there is no real difference between Toronto and Calgary in that respect.

So in looking at this trade we have these two options:

1) New York liked what Calgary was offering more than Toronto

2) In order to sort-of fulfill a 2 year old trade request that had since been rescinded, the Islanders went with the second best offer they got in order to give Hamonic a marginally shorter flight home from where they traded him than Toronto.

Think horses, not zebras.

 

[Bates]

He rescinded trade request as you know but the request was always to Western Canada.  I doubt he wouldn't still want Western Canada but previous reason seems to have played itself out.  You however are perfectly ok to spin it whatever wrong way you want. 

https://www.nhl.com/news/hamonic-requests-trade-from-islanders-report/c-788613

I guess that other 7 months is a big deal hey?

When it happened is actually pretty significant because a lot of things can happen in that time span. Like, for instance, Hamonic's desire to be closer to home(as opposed to just "West) might have gone away slightly as he Got more involved in the local community or just the situation changed. In fact, it might have changed to the point where in the time since then and now Hamonic might have actually rescinded his trade request:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-travis-hamonic-rescinds-trade-request-islanders/

Of course that doesn't even get into the 3rd grade geography of the issue. Like I said, Hamonic wanted to be closer to home, not just a generic request to be flung westward and practically, in terms of distance to Winnipeg, there is no real difference between Toronto and Calgary in that respect.

So in looking at this trade we have these two options:

1) New York liked what Calgary was offering more than Toronto

2) In order to sort-of fulfill a 2 year old trade request that had since been rescinded, the Islanders went with the second best offer they got in order to give Hamonic a marginally shorter flight home from where they traded him than Toronto.

Think horses, not zebras.