Hamonic to CGY

[Kin]

He rescinded trade request as you know but the request was always to Western Canada.  I doubt he wouldn't still want Western Canada but previous reason seems to have played itself out.  You however are perfectly ok to spin it whatever wrong way you want. 

https://www.nhl.com/news/hamonic-requests-trade-from-islanders-report/c-788613

Only you could possibly think of the measured distance between two cities as "spin".

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The rumoured situation with Toronto's offer was that it was JVR and a 2018 1st rounder, and the deal fell apart because JVR wouldn't waive his NTC and/or agree to talk about an extension with the Islanders. I'd make the case that that's a better offer than what they got from Calgary.

 

[Kin]

The rumoured situation with Toronto's offer was that it was JVR and a 2018 1st rounder, and the deal fell apart because JVR wouldn't waive his NTC and/or agree to talk about an extension with the Islanders. I'd make the case that that's a better offer than what they got from Calgary.

Wasn't the idea there that it wouldn't just be Hamonic coming back though?

 

[Zee]

The rumoured situation with Toronto's offer was that it was JVR and a 2018 1st rounder, and the deal fell apart because JVR wouldn't waive his NTC and/or agree to talk about an extension with the Islanders. I'd make the case that that's a better offer than what they got from Calgary.

This morning on the radio, Dreger said he doesn't believe the Leafs offered a first round pick. 

 

[cabber24]

The rumoured situation with Toronto's offer was that it was JVR and a 2018 1st rounder, and the deal fell apart because JVR wouldn't waive his NTC and/or agree to talk about an extension with the Islanders. I'd make the case that that's a better offer than what they got from Calgary.

I don't really get Toronto's interest in a player who has already stated their desire to be on the west coast? I have a hard time believing the Leafs were an option or even pursuing him. Why trade for someone who doesn't want to be there?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wasn't the idea there that it wouldn't just be Hamonic coming back though?

That reported offer was originally from Isles beat reporter Arthur Staple. All he said was JVR and a 2018 1st for Hamonic. Didn't mention anything else. Simmons reported the same thing but it's hard to tell if that came from his own sources or if he was just parroting what Staples wrote. I don't recall hearing about anything extra but I might have missed it.

 

[Kin]

Wasn't the idea there that it wouldn't just be Hamonic coming back though?

That reported offer was originally from Isles beat reporter Arthur Staple. All he said was JVR and a 2018 1st for Hamonic. Didn't mention anything else. Simmons reported the same thing but it's hard to tell if that came from his own sources or if he was just parroting what Staples wrote. I don't recall hearing about anything extra but I might have missed it.

At the draft when Friedman first reported on Hamonic potentially being moved to Toronto he said it was as part of a "larger deal".

 

[Kin]

The rumoured situation with Toronto's offer was that it was JVR and a 2018 1st rounder, and the deal fell apart because JVR wouldn't waive his NTC and/or agree to talk about an extension with the Islanders. I'd make the case that that's a better offer than what they got from Calgary.

I don't really get Toronto's interest in a player who has already stated their desire to be on the west coast? I have a hard time believing the Leafs were an option or even pursuing him. Why trade for someone who doesn't want to be there?

He didn't say he wanted to be on the West Coast and, regardless, he rescinded his trade request. He was not traded because he wanted out of New York.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

At the draft when Friedman first reported on Hamonic potentially being moved to Toronto he said it was as part of a "larger deal".

Ah, ok, I found this tweet from Staple on that:

Arthur Staple‏ @StapeNewsday
From @FriedgeHNIC, #Isles discussing "bigger" deal than just futures with TOR, 2 pick/prospect from CGY. TOR has 59th pick, CGY no 2nd.

So he interpreted that comment as the deal being larger than just draft picks, which is originally what Snow was after.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He didn't say he wanted to be on the West Coast and, regardless, he rescinded his trade request. He was not traded because he wanted out of New York.

The other team that the Islanders were pushing Hamonic on was Colorado. That's not exactly "Western Canada" either. I think it's pretty safe to say his trade request had little-to-nothing to do with this.

 

[Bates]

Yeah it's a huge spin to suggest that a team trading a player to one of the teams he asked to be traded to before last season is actually trying to do right by the player???  I have never suggested they would take a lessor deal but I think they would favor a similar offer from Western Canada. 

He rescinded trade request as you know but the request was always to Western Canada.  I doubt he wouldn't still want Western Canada but previous reason seems to have played itself out.  You however are perfectly ok to spin it whatever wrong way you want. 

https://www.nhl.com/news/hamonic-requests-trade-from-islanders-report/c-788613

Only you could possibly think of the measured distance between two cities as "spin".

 

[Kin]

Yeah it's a huge spin to suggest that a team trading a player to one of the teams he asked to be traded to before last season is actually trying to do right by the player???  I have never suggested they would take a lessor deal but I think they would favor a similar offer from Western Canada.

First off, you don't know what teams he asked to be traded to. You have Friedman's report and while Friedman's good, one report from him isn't a hard and cold fact. The story coming out of Hamonic's trade request was that he wanted to be closer to home. If that is the case why would he prefer Vancouver to Toronto when, and I cannot take credit for this fact, Toronto is closer to Winnipeg than Vancouver is. Just for a second put aside your stubbornness and think about things logically for once.

But secondly, why would that be the case if the trade offer and presumably the reason behind it were no longer relevant? Hamonic was not requesting a trade any more. Yeah, sure, you "knew" about that when you made your first post. Honestly, it's just bananas how desperate you seem to connect this trade to a two year old now rescinded trade request.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I can't believe you guys are arguing about this. He's in Calgary. Calgary paid an awful lot. The end.

 

[Kin]

I can't believe you guys are arguing about this. He's in Calgary. Calgary paid an awful lot. The end.

I don't know what to tell you. "Calgary offered a better deal" should not have been a controversial statement.

 

[Deebo]

Wasn't the idea there that it wouldn't just be Hamonic coming back though?

That reported offer was originally from Isles beat reporter Arthur Staple. All he said was JVR and a 2018 1st for Hamonic. Didn't mention anything else. Simmons reported the same thing but it's hard to tell if that came from his own sources or if he was just parroting what Staples wrote. I don't recall hearing about anything extra but I might have missed it.

I think we can be pretty sure it was Simmons parroting Staples, I mean its Simmons.