Is Nonis good enough?

[Rebel_1812]

After having some time to think about the GM change, I feel it is a step down in talent.  Here is a list of Burke's moves as leafs GM:
http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=413162
as you can see, sometimes he might have overpaid; but he was always adding talented players.  This trend was reflected in his record with other teams when he drafted Chris Pronger, the sedins, signing niedermeyer, trading for Pronger and etc.

This is the list of Nonis's moves with Vancouver:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/01/10/nonis_history_of_moves_vancouver_canucks/
as you can see, he didn't do much.  The reason most people think he was a good gm was because of Luongo trade. However this trade would not have been seen as a slam dunk if Bertuzzi's career didn't go down the toilet.  I don't think you should judge a GM based on one good trade and thats the point.  Other then that he didn't do much.  He doesn't have the track record of trading for talent or signing UFA's that burke does.

I know there wasn't any other GM free right before the season, but still I don't think Nonis is that good based on his record nor will he do better then Burke did.

 

[drummond]

Given the timing the Leafs ownership did not have any other option and had to go with someone who is already familiar with the Leafs organization.

 

[Justin]

Given the timing the Leafs ownership did not have any other option and had to go with someone who is already familiar with the Leafs organization.

It's too bad they didn't do this before Rick Dudley defected to Montreal.

 

[caver]

I would much rather have Nonis as GM than Dudley. I think we will see him have a good run here if ownership lets him manage freely.

 

[Zee]

After having some time to think about the GM change, I feel it is a step down in talent.  Here is a list of Burke's moves as leafs GM:
http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=413162
as you can see, sometimes he might have overpaid; but he was always adding talented players.  This trend was reflected in his record with other teams when he drafted Chris Pronger, the sedins, signing niedermeyer, trading for Pronger and etc.

This is the list of Nonis's moves with Vancouver:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/01/10/nonis_history_of_moves_vancouver_canucks/
as you can see, he didn't do much.  The reason most people think he was a good gm was because of Luongo trade. However this trade would not have been seen as a slam dunk if Bertuzzi's career didn't go down the toilet.  I don't think you should judge a GM based on one good trade and thats the point.  Other then that he didn't do much.  He doesn't have the track record of trading for talent or signing UFA's that burke does.

I know there wasn't any other GM free right before the season, but still I don't think Nonis is that good based on his record nor will he do better then Burke did.

Burke's FA signings have been brutal.  He's made some good trades true, but you can't trumpet his FA signings.  Sure you can bring up Clarke MacArthur, the best free agent he's signed in my opinion,  however it was Nonis who suggested that signing to Burke.  Burke "wasn't keen" on MacArthur.

Nonis drafted Schneider, the very guy who's now pushing out Luongo.  If you call having two #1 goalies in the system "not doing much", well it's more than Burke was able to do in 4 years here in Toronto. We're still looking for the #1 goalie.

 

[Kin]

After having some time to think about the GM change, I feel it is a step down in talent.  Here is a list of Burke's moves as leafs GM:
http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=413162
as you can see, sometimes he might have overpaid; but he was always adding talented players.  This trend was reflected in his record with other teams when he drafted Chris Pronger, the sedins, signing niedermeyer, trading for Pronger and etc.

This is the list of Nonis's moves with Vancouver:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/01/10/nonis_history_of_moves_vancouver_canucks/
as you can see, he didn't do much.  The reason most people think he was a good gm was because of Luongo trade. However this trade would not have been seen as a slam dunk if Bertuzzi's career didn't go down the toilet.  I don't think you should judge a GM based on one good trade and thats the point.  Other then that he didn't do much.  He doesn't have the track record of trading for talent or signing UFA's that burke does.

It's an apples and oranges comparison. Burke took over a team scraping the bottom of the barrel and tried to immediately right the course. Nonis took over a 101 point team and his job was to tinker with the club to get it over the hump. That Burke added more players isn't a sign of his "talent", it's simply a reflection of the reality of his situation.

As is, the list of players Nonis brought in to the Canucks is on pretty good footing with the list of players Burke has so far brought onto the Leafs.

 

[Zee]

One more thing I like about Nonis from the very article posted in post 1:

"Nonis was said to be much more conservative than his predecessor and his reluctance to move top prospects may have hurt him at the time, but certainly helped the Canucks franchise down the road."

 

[lamajama]

We'll see how much he's in control based on the Luongo soon-to-be-deal because he would either get us into 8th or close enough to have it come down to the last games.

If Nonis wants to make the playoffs to save his own future then he'll make the trade.

For the record I'd love Lou for 3-5 years but not after that. I suppose the only way I'd grudgingly accept a Lou deal is something along the lines of
Komi and Bozak with Lou and a pick coming back. We are after all getting Vancouver out of a massive mistake.

 

[dappleganger]

After having some time to think about the GM change, I feel it is a step down in talent.  Here is a list of Burke's moves as leafs GM:
http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=413162
as you can see, sometimes he might have overpaid; but he was always adding talented players.  This trend was reflected in his record with other teams when he drafted Chris Pronger, the sedins, signing niedermeyer, trading for Pronger and etc.

This is the list of Nonis's moves with Vancouver:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/01/10/nonis_history_of_moves_vancouver_canucks/
as you can see, he didn't do much.  The reason most people think he was a good gm was because of Luongo trade. However this trade would not have been seen as a slam dunk if Bertuzzi's career didn't go down the toilet.  I don't think you should judge a GM based on one good trade and thats the point.  Other then that he didn't do much.  He doesn't have the track record of trading for talent or signing UFA's that burke does.

I know there wasn't any other GM free right before the season, but still I don't think Nonis is that good based on his record nor will he do better then Burke did.

Burke's FA signings have been brutal.  He's made some good trades true, but you can't trumpet his FA signings.  Sure you can bring up Clarke MacArthur, the best free agent he's signed in my opinion,  however it was Nonis who suggested that signing to Burke.  Burke "wasn't keen" on MacArthur.

Nonis drafted Schneider, the very guy who's now pushing out Luongo.  If you call having two #1 goalies in the system "not doing much", well it's more than Burke was able to do in 4 years here in Toronto. We're still looking for the #1 goalie.

Nonis also tried trading Schneider for Gilbert Brule.

Doug MacLean said no. (Brule as of right now is no longer playing hockey)

Sometimes you get lucky.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Given the timing the Leafs ownership did not have any other option and had to go with someone who is already familiar with the Leafs organization.

It's too bad they didn't do this before Rick Dudley defected to Montreal.

Agreed Rick Dudley had a good draft record even if he didn't have a good record on the ice.

 

[SchenNeuf]

After having some time to think about the GM change, I feel it is a step down in talent.  Here is a list of Burke's moves as leafs GM:
http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=413162
as you can see, sometimes he might have overpaid; but he was always adding talented players.  This trend was reflected in his record with other teams when he drafted Chris Pronger, the sedins, signing niedermeyer, trading for Pronger and etc.

This is the list of Nonis's moves with Vancouver:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/01/10/nonis_history_of_moves_vancouver_canucks/
as you can see, he didn't do much.  The reason most people think he was a good gm was because of Luongo trade. However this trade would not have been seen as a slam dunk if Bertuzzi's career didn't go down the toilet.  I don't think you should judge a GM based on one good trade and thats the point.  Other then that he didn't do much.  He doesn't have the track record of trading for talent or signing UFA's that burke does.

I know there wasn't any other GM free right before the season, but still I don't think Nonis is that good based on his record nor will he do better then Burke did.

I think it does however need to be acknowledged that Nonis played a big part in many of Burke's moves and often was the negotiator of trades/contracts.  So, it's really difficult to say.  At least he has experience and isn't a newbie like when JFJ arrived in town.

 

[skrackle]

I'm thinking Nonis will do well. He's a low key guy. So am I, so I like that right off the bat.

Beyond that, he's not a newcomer. He's been a GM and he knows the league. He's probably got a better read on the Leafs and where they need to go than most other candidates for the job would have right now.

And certainly a better read than Burke had when he arrived.

 

[nutman]

So I wonder when Nonis, starts hawking our excess players, for some picks and things

 

[Corn Flake]

So I wonder when Nonis, starts hawking our excess players, for some picks and things

He already did that with Lombardi.

more to come? depends on how the team does in the next few weeks.

 

[Deebo]

So I wonder when Nonis, starts hawking our excess players, for some picks and things

He already did that with Lombardi.

more to come? depends on how the team does in the next few weeks.

That deal was pretty much agreed upon with Burke, according to Don Maloney.

 

[Kin]

Who are we counting as the Leafs excess? Just Liles and Connolly?

 

[nutman]

So I wonder when Nonis, starts hawking our excess players, for some picks and things

He already did that with Lombardi.

more to come? depends on how the team does in the next few weeks.

Our strength is defence, and I believe Connely paired with a d could get us some good return.

 

[nutman]

Who are we counting as the Leafs excess? Just Liles and Connolly?

Komi  will get us a return as well.

 

[Deebo]

Who are we counting as the Leafs excess? Just Liles and Connolly?

I'd say Liles, Connolly, MacArthur and Komisarek.

I doubt Komisarek is movable without retaining salary, but the other 3 could get us something.

I'd rather just use a compliance buy out on Komisarek than carry any cap hit for him next year.

 

[Kin]

Who are we counting as the Leafs excess? Just Liles and Connolly?

I'd say Liles, Connolly, MacArthur and Komisarek.

I doubt Komisarek is movable without retaining salary, but the other 3 could get us something.

I'd rather just use a compliance buy out on Komisarek than carry any cap hit for him next year.

Obviously I can't say for sure or anything but with the cap coming down I think it's going to be fairly difficult to move anyone like Liles or Mac who are under-performing and have some significant cap hits for next year.