Kasperi Kapanen
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With Kapanen looking pretty decent alongside Matthews, how about a blockbuster between the Original Six great rivalry, Leafs and Habs.
Nylander to Montreal for Jonathan Drouin. Similar type players, solving Leaf's cap issue. Drouin becomes topline left winger either now or when Marleau retires. Habs with cap space get a guy who can slide into center ice.
I know the Leafs would prefer to shore up the defense but top d-men are hard to come by and there is some promise in the system with Liljegren, Sandin and Durzi.
I just thought this would make an interesting topic for discussion. I think Drouin might be feeling the pressure in Montreal and could use another change of scenery, and thrive with an offensively loaded team like the Leafs. Could he find the same chemistry with Matthews he once had with Nathan MacKinnon?
If such a deal were ever done, would a pick be thrown in by one side, and if so what?
But imagine the comparisons moving forward in Leafs-Habs match-ups? Would be interesting...
Thumbs up or thumbs down?
Nylander to Montreal for Jonathan Drouin. Similar type players, solving Leaf's cap issue. Drouin becomes topline left winger either now or when Marleau retires. Habs with cap space get a guy who can slide into center ice.
I know the Leafs would prefer to shore up the defense but top d-men are hard to come by and there is some promise in the system with Liljegren, Sandin and Durzi.
I just thought this would make an interesting topic for discussion. I think Drouin might be feeling the pressure in Montreal and could use another change of scenery, and thrive with an offensively loaded team like the Leafs. Could he find the same chemistry with Matthews he once had with Nathan MacKinnon?
If such a deal were ever done, would a pick be thrown in by one side, and if so what?
But imagine the comparisons moving forward in Leafs-Habs match-ups? Would be interesting...
Thumbs up or thumbs down?
leafsjunkie
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slapshot said:
Huge thumbs down, Druin for Nylander? Really?
Nylander won't be traded, he will get signed soon.
Kin
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How does this solve the team's cap issue? Drouin's cap hit is 2.5 million less than Nylander's reported ask. If Matthews gets 12 long term and Marner 9 then it's the difference between 37.5 million for your top 4 forwards and 40(assuming Nylander gets his ask). That's effectively the exact same boat.
Also, how is "Should we trade Nylander for Drouin" in the Kapanen thread?
Also, how is "Should we trade Nylander for Drouin" in the Kapanen thread?
Nik the Trik said:
Ok maybe "solve" this cap issue is too strong a word, but "ease" their cap issue would not be. According to whom you believe, Nylander's ask was $8.5 million (Draisaitl money). Drouin cap hit is $5.5 million, that would be a $3 million saving (assuming Nylander got his ask...but we all know that's never going to happen. Regardless, if he refused to sign anything under $7 million that might force the Leafs hand towards a trade. Though I also think he will eventually sign for under $7 mil.
Just because I throw out an idea for discussion, doesn't mean I am proposing it should be done. It's just saying, that if it came to a trade, and they couldn't find the right d-man, maybe they explore other options.
I've been a Leafs fan for decades, and sometimes I think fans tend to over-value our players compared to players on other teams. Personally, talent-wise, I don't think there is as much difference between Nylander and Drouin as some people might think. What would Drouin's numbers look like playing alongside Matthews?
Why talk about this in a Kapanen thread? Just saying that perhaps, Kapanen is capable of filling Nylander's boots alongside Matthews if a trade does happen. (Again I don't think it will...but stranger things have happened.) I see all kinds of threads on here veering off in different directions. I didn't think it was jumping off the diving board to tie those things together...
leafsjunkie said:
Not saying I am in favour of this, just trying to get people's opinions. I don't think the difference between these players talent wise is as great as you may perceive it is. Also I asked if a pick would also be warranted by either side and if so, by how much to balance such a deal. Assuming Marleau might be done after next year, the Leafs are not as strong on the left wing side.
Kin
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slapshot said:
Most things I've read have Nylander's ask at 8 million. But, again, it's very much a similar cap situation even with Drouin who's cheaper because I don't think he's as good as Nylander.
slapshot said:
It's a tangential connected to Kapanen at best. I'm sure I'm overreacting because so many threads are needlessly turning into Nylander threads but there is a whole Armchair GM thread for trade proposals as a point of discussion. This topic will almost certainly have nothing really to do with Kapanen.
Nik the Trik said:
Ok. Point taken. Maybe I look for a better suited thread next time. But as for Nylander being appreciably better than Drouin, not sure that's true. But I can see why people might think that. Nylander forecasted upward projectory by most, one would expect he'll keep on improving. Has Drouin reached his potential. I don't think so, but I also never felt from Day 1 that Montreal was the right fit for him. Dealt for as the guy who could help turn the franchise around, that's a lot of pressure for a Quebec kid. I see him more as a Kessel type (not talking about similiar skill set, which they are not), just a strong support guy on a winning team but not the leader.
Highlander
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Great article in the Athletic today about why Kapi is so good a player and why he fits with Matthews so well. The firepower this team has is incredible, going to be even better when the Viking comes home.
I think I?d like to wait 20 games to see how Kapi does over a series games. He?s got tremendous speed but he doesn?t appear to have anywhere close to Nylander?s puck-carrying ability in transition or his vision in the offensive zone or his shot. But he?s younger and I haven?t seen him much.
Kin
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I actually think Kapanen is ideally suited to be the #3 RW. He's fast, smart without the puck and has enough offensive skill that he can pounce in transition. I think asking him to be a top line player, to be something to worry the defense so they don't focus entirely on Matthews, is reaching a bit.
But looking forward the idea of this sort of set-up:
X-Matthews-Nylander
X-Tavares-Marner
X-Kadri-Kapanen
Seems really exciting to me. It's the sort of thing where I think you could save by putting minor guys on the Left side and still be deadly.
But looking forward the idea of this sort of set-up:
X-Matthews-Nylander
X-Tavares-Marner
X-Kadri-Kapanen
Seems really exciting to me. It's the sort of thing where I think you could save by putting minor guys on the Left side and still be deadly.
herman
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Nik the Trik said:
Yes. And the left side is where we are chock full of cheap, effective wingers: Johnsson, Timashov, Grundstrom, Korshkov, Moore, Hyman, Marchment. They?re also a dime a dozen on the market if you?re just filling in a defensive grinder because your actual money is in the middle and in scorers like Marner, Nylander.
Fact. Taking salary from Nylander and giving it to Kappi. Put Ennis back with Matthews.disco said:I can tell you one dude who doesn't mind if old Willy takes his time amongst the fam-jam in Stockholm. Kasperi Kapanen. Every game he plays on Auston's right keeps adding those hundreds of thousands to that second deal