Champ Kind
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Nik the Trik said:
Well, I fail to see who else the Leafs could have realistically acquired who would have been better, so the point remains.
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Well, I fail to see who else the Leafs could have realistically acquired who would have been better, so the point remains.
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A Weekend at Bernier's said:
If the point is that Phil Kessel is a very good hockey player then I whole heartedly agree. If it's that he's one of the ten best offensive players in the game, I'm getting on board there too.
However if the point is that who the best player is in the trade at a fairly arbitrary point where the assets the Leafs gave up are really in no position to be entirely assessed but have, at least one of them has, already shown signs of being right there with Kessel is a really important consideration when retroactively evaluating the trade then I'm not sure I'm with you.
Corn Flake
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Nik the Trik said:
When you get a player as good as Kessel, I'm not sure why you can't be slightly more impressed.
Champ Kind
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Nik the Trik said:
You're right, but I think there's an argument to be made that Kessel still has significant runway left and his trajectory is on the upswing. I mean, he seems to be getting better, too. So assessing the trade now might be premature for both sides.
At any rate, we're arguing about different sides to the same coin. Kessel is great, and the Leafs paid dearly to get him.
Optimus Reimer
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Nik the Trik said:
A simple way to determine who won or lost in a trade would be to reverse the same trade now. I cannot see Nonis trading Kessel for Seguin + Hamilton, if such a trade were possible it would take more than that to acquire Kessel from the Leafs. If Nonis could somehow make such a trade I think that a lot of citizens of Leafs Nation would be rioting in the streets, burning their Leafs shirts and demanding a public hanging of Nonis.
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Optimus Reimer said:
I'd say that's not a very good way of making a determination of who won or lost.
Bullfrog
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In the absense of a clearly lop-sided deal, I think it's extremely difficult -- impossible in some cases -- to declare a winner or loser. I also don't see the importance of doing so.
The biggest issue in determining a winner is the fact that the criteria might be different for each team and relate to both the teams' long-term and short-term goals.
The biggest issue in determining a winner is the fact that the criteria might be different for each team and relate to both the teams' long-term and short-term goals.
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Optimus Reimer said:
Yeah, I mean, speculation aside Kessel is 4th in the NHL in scoring. He's 26, plays the wing and signed long term at 8 million dollars a year. Seguin is 13th in the league in scoring. He's 22, playing center and signed long-term at 5.75 million a year. So the idea that Kessel is worth a ton more than Seguin right now doesn't really have much in the way of a basis.
Whether a team would trade one for the other would entirely depend on factors like where they were as a club and what position they needed filled. The Leafs probably wouldn't trade Kessel right now because what they have is working. The Stars would probably prefer Seguin because he's younger and cheaper and nearly as good.
None of this, by the way, changes the fundamental fact that the inherent flaw in your method for judging trades is that Burke didn't trade Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel.
Optimus Reimer
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I think the Olympics may do some harm to Kessel. Not only is he lighting it up in the NHL, he is destroying other countries so I think the other NHL teams will start to increase the coverage on Kessel's line. I am not sure if that will do any good or not, but it would do the team good if they can get more secondary scoring.
Optimus Reimer said:
Since the 11-12 season Kessel is 2nd among all NHL players in points and 3rd in goals. If a NHL coach is just now starting to realize maybe he should put all his coverage on Phil then he shouldn't be a NHL coach.
OldTimeHockey
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Optimus Reimer said:
The Kessel line has received all the attention this year. It's been the only one they've had to defend against really. I don't think him being hot in the Olympics is going to increase that coverage because quite frankly, I don't think it can.
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OldTimeHockey said:
Chara isn't the only defenseman who "swarms" Kessel. He gets the #1D-man in the league every night. It's time people start to really acknowledge just how good Kessel is. There are periods where his game gets shut down, but he has that ability to score from low-risk areas because of how good his shot is and his speed from standstill can create a lot of space in the offensive zone.
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RedLeaf said:
They must have been going by points and not the teams that won.
GhostofPotvin29
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Rebel_1812 said:
I believe you're thinking of the "Gold Medal" which is awarded to the winning team, regardless of whether that team has the tournament's top forward on it.
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Potvin29 said:
So let me get this straight: The best forward honour goes to a player, and the gold medal goes to a team?? That's so weird.