Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 28th, 7:00pm - TSN, TSN 1050

[GhostofPotvin29]

Leafs points by line:

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_production.php?situation=EV&chkTeamFwd=checkbox&selTeamFwd=TOR&games=2013-2014%3AR%3A99&Submit=Show+Line+Production&sent=go

 

[Champ Kind]

I don't think I've ever seen more comical shot blocks than since Gleason joined this team. Remember how he was the worst player ever before he even played one game with the team?

I don't, but feel free to link to some proof.

Exagerration aside, Bonsixx is right.  A sample from the "Gleason traded to Toronto" thread:

This has bad news written all over it. Considering the decline in his play, Gleason's contract is terrible.

Yeah I really don't get it. Gleason is awful any way you look at it. I haven't really been following this situation lately - can anyone give me some insight on why the Leafs would want Gleason?

Komisarek 2.0

I'm beginning to think that Nonis sucks.

I suppose the thinking is that realistically this is a swap of guys who are borderline NHL defensemen but that the Leafs are taking the bigger cap hit and throwing in the prospect.

And my favorite:

Guess I'm wondering: had Gleason's contract expired last summer, would he playing in the KHL now?

EDIT: One more favorite:

We'd be better off with Jackie Gleason.....

By the way, I stopped halfway through page 2.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well the exaggeration is what I'm getting at.

And it is possible he could have been in the KHL had he been a free agent.  He wouldn't be the first player of his calibre to head to the KHL after a tough couple of seasons.

And it's only been a handful of games so far - none of knew much about him before other than reports from people in Carolina who watched him.  As of now, we only have a small body of work to judge him on.  I'd say he looks alright, not particularly good or bad.  If he can keep that up, that's alright, albeit with a cap hit that isn't so nice.

 

[Corn Flake]

Well the exaggeration is what I'm getting at.

And it is possible he could have been in the KHL had he been a free agent.  He wouldn't be the first player of his calibre to head to the KHL after a tough couple of seasons.

And it's only been a handful of games so far - none of knew much about him before other than reports from people in Carolina who watched him.  As of now, we only have a small body of work to judge him on.  I'd say he looks alright, not particularly good or bad.  If he can keep that up, that's alright, albeit with a cap hit that isn't so nice.

The fact the opinions of hockey fans from Carolina were trusted says it all.

8)

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well the exaggeration is what I'm getting at.

And it is possible he could have been in the KHL had he been a free agent.  He wouldn't be the first player of his calibre to head to the KHL after a tough couple of seasons.

And it's only been a handful of games so far - none of knew much about him before other than reports from people in Carolina who watched him.  As of now, we only have a small body of work to judge him on.  I'd say he looks alright, not particularly good or bad.  If he can keep that up, that's alright, albeit with a cap hit that isn't so nice.

The fact the opinions of hockey fans from Carolina were trusted says it all.

8)

;D

Anything above a car going around in a circle becomes too much for them.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Did they say Kadri doesn't have an NHL hat trick?  I distinctly remember him having 2 last year...

I was at my own hockey game last night so I PVR'd the game.  They distinctly said that he hasn't had a hat trick at home yet.  (The one against the Isles was at Nassau, and I don't remember the other hatty)

 

[Deebo]

Did they say Kadri doesn't have an NHL hat trick?  I distinctly remember him having 2 last year...

I was at my own hockey game last night so I PVR'd the game.  They distinctly said that he hasn't had a hat trick at home yet.  (The one against the Isles was at Nassau, and I don't remember the other hatty)

Ottawa

 

[Bonsixx]

I don't think I've ever seen more comical shot blocks than since Gleason joined this team. Remember how he was the worst player ever before he even played one game with the team?

I don't, but feel free to link to some proof.

Exagerration aside, Bonsixx is right.  A sample from the "Gleason traded to Toronto" thread:

This has bad news written all over it. Considering the decline in his play, Gleason's contract is terrible.

Yeah I really don't get it. Gleason is awful any way you look at it. I haven't really been following this situation lately - can anyone give me some insight on why the Leafs would want Gleason?

Komisarek 2.0

I'm beginning to think that Nonis sucks.

I suppose the thinking is that realistically this is a swap of guys who are borderline NHL defensemen but that the Leafs are taking the bigger cap hit and throwing in the prospect.

And my favorite:

Guess I'm wondering: had Gleason's contract expired last summer, would he playing in the KHL now?

EDIT: One more favorite:

We'd be better off with Jackie Gleason.....

By the way, I stopped halfway through page 2.

Thanks for that! That Gleason thread annoyed the hell out of me.

 

[Zee]

I don't think I've ever seen more comical shot blocks than since Gleason joined this team. Remember how he was the worst player ever before he even played one game with the team?

I don't, but feel free to link to some proof.

Exagerration aside, Bonsixx is right.  A sample from the "Gleason traded to Toronto" thread:

This has bad news written all over it. Considering the decline in his play, Gleason's contract is terrible.

Yeah I really don't get it. Gleason is awful any way you look at it. I haven't really been following this situation lately - can anyone give me some insight on why the Leafs would want Gleason?

Komisarek 2.0

I'm beginning to think that Nonis sucks.

I suppose the thinking is that realistically this is a swap of guys who are borderline NHL defensemen but that the Leafs are taking the bigger cap hit and throwing in the prospect.

And my favorite:

Guess I'm wondering: had Gleason's contract expired last summer, would he playing in the KHL now?

EDIT: One more favorite:

We'd be better off with Jackie Gleason.....

By the way, I stopped halfway through page 2.

I'd like my comments in the Gleason thread highlighted please. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@jonasTSN1050 

Of Bernier's game-saving stop last night on Martin St. Louis, Carlyle jests that "there was one no. 43 that missed the assignment".

‏@SkinnyPPPhish 

LRT: Kadri missing his assignment. Rewatch highlight starting at 4:04. http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2013020796&navid=sb:recap ? Franson points Kadri to cover Hedman...

@SkinnyPPPhish 

....but then Franson doesn't cover St. Louis, tries to lunge toward Hedman, and is caught in no-man's land. That play is on Franson.

Kind of a jerk thing to say after the guy gets 2 goals and it's not actually his fault.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't think I've ever seen more comical shot blocks than since Gleason joined this team. Remember how he was the worst player ever before he even played one game with the team?

I don't, but feel free to link to some proof.

Exagerration aside, Bonsixx is right.  A sample from the "Gleason traded to Toronto" thread:

This has bad news written all over it. Considering the decline in his play, Gleason's contract is terrible.

Yeah I really don't get it. Gleason is awful any way you look at it. I haven't really been following this situation lately - can anyone give me some insight on why the Leafs would want Gleason?

Komisarek 2.0

I'm beginning to think that Nonis sucks.

I suppose the thinking is that realistically this is a swap of guys who are borderline NHL defensemen but that the Leafs are taking the bigger cap hit and throwing in the prospect.

And my favorite:

Guess I'm wondering: had Gleason's contract expired last summer, would he playing in the KHL now?

EDIT: One more favorite:

We'd be better off with Jackie Gleason.....

By the way, I stopped halfway through page 2.

Thanks for that! That Gleason thread annoyed the hell out of me.

I don't think you should thank someone for disproving your point.

EDIT: There should be a  up there.

 

[Kin]

It's pretty hard to watch that highlight and not see that Kadri did, as Carlyle said, miss his assignment.

 

[Zee]

It's pretty hard to watch that highlight and not see that Kadri did, as Carlyle said, miss his assignment.

Yup.  Franson is playing the guy with the puck, forcing a pass over, if Kadri had gone with St. Louis as Franson pointed to him to do, there wouldn't be a chance for St. Louis to shoot there.  Original puck carrier would have taken the shot with Franson there to potentially block it.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yup.  Franson is playing the guy with the puck, forcing a pass over, if Kadri had gone with St. Louis as Franson pointed to him to do, there wouldn't be a chance for St. Louis to shoot there.  Original puck carrier would have taken the shot with Franson there to potentially block it.

Franson points at the trailer, which is Hedman.  It's not the D's job to pick up the trailing player, that's the C's job.

 

[Kin]

It's pretty hard to watch that highlight and not see that Kadri did, as Carlyle said, miss his assignment.

Yup.  Franson is playing the guy with the puck, forcing a pass over, if Kadri had gone with St. Louis as Franson pointed to him to do, there wouldn't be a chance for St. Louis to shoot there.  Original puck carrier would have taken the shot with Franson there to potentially block it.

Yeah, that's not really my interpretation of it. Franson points at Hedman, who is Kadri's guy and Kadri doesn't get over to him, causing Franson to sort of back up and play the pass poorly. Franson should have had St. Louis, Kadri should have had Hedman and neither guy really did the job. You can hear it on the track, Mike Johnson immediately points out that Kadri was in the wrong position.

 

[Zee]

It's pretty hard to watch that highlight and not see that Kadri did, as Carlyle said, miss his assignment.

Yup.  Franson is playing the guy with the puck, forcing a pass over, if Kadri had gone with St. Louis as Franson pointed to him to do, there wouldn't be a chance for St. Louis to shoot there.  Original puck carrier would have taken the shot with Franson there to potentially block it.

Yeah, that's not really my interpretation of it. Franson points at Hedman, who is Kadri's guy and Kadri doesn't get over to him, causing Franson to sort of back up and play the pass poorly. Franson should have had St. Louis, Kadri should have had Hedman and neither guy really did the job. You can hear it on the track, Mike Johnson immediately points out that Kadri was in the wrong position.

In any event it was Kadri's original mistake that led Franson to be in-between on the play.  Had Kadri taken his man from the start it's a non chance.

With regards to Carlyle pointing out the mistake, I don't think it's a bad thing to do on a win and a game where Kadri generally feels good about himself.  His post game comments show just how incredibly impressed with himself he was.  Given that the Leafs won, and the blown assignment didn't lead to a goal because of Bernier's amazing save, it's a great time to point out to Kadri that he should have done better there.  You're not pinning a loss on him, you're just telling him "here's a way you can get better".

 

[Kin]

With regards to Carlyle pointing out the mistake, I don't think it's a bad thing to do on a win and a game where Kadri generally feels good about himself.  His post game comments show just how incredibly impressed with himself he was.  Given that the Leafs won, and the blown assignment didn't lead to a goal because of Bernier's amazing save, it's a great time to point out to Kadri that he should have done better there.  You're not pinning a loss on him, you're just telling him "here's a way you can get better".

I don't think it's bad either. Kadri missed his assignment. I'm betting Kadri knows he missed his assignment. I don't think Carlyle speaking honestly about it is going to hurt him. He scored two goals, played a great game and should be lauded for that. That said, I agree that Carlyle should be on Kadri regardless of the truth of my last sentence because he can always improve.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

It's pretty hard to watch that highlight and not see that Kadri did, as Carlyle said, miss his assignment.

Yup.  Franson is playing the guy with the puck, forcing a pass over, if Kadri had gone with St. Louis as Franson pointed to him to do, there wouldn't be a chance for St. Louis to shoot there.  Original puck carrier would have taken the shot with Franson there to potentially block it.

Yeah, that's not really my interpretation of it. Franson points at Hedman, who is Kadri's guy and Kadri doesn't get over to him, causing Franson to sort of back up and play the pass poorly. Franson should have had St. Louis, Kadri should have had Hedman and neither guy really did the job. You can hear it on the track, Mike Johnson immediately points out that Kadri was in the wrong position.

In any event it was Kadri's original mistake that led Franson to be in-between on the play.  Had Kadri taken his man from the start it's a non chance.

With regards to Carlyle pointing out the mistake, I don't think it's a bad thing to do on a win and a game where Kadri generally feels good about himself.  His post game comments show just how incredibly impressed with himself he was.  Given that the Leafs won, and the blown assignment didn't lead to a goal because of Bernier's amazing save, it's a great time to point out to Kadri that he should have done better there.  You're not pinning a loss on him, you're just telling him "here's a way you can get better".

Eh, we see it differently, that's okay....

Flagpole, 3:30 p.m., be there.

 

[Corn Flake]

With regards to Carlyle pointing out the mistake, I don't think it's a bad thing to do on a win and a game where Kadri generally feels good about himself.  His post game comments show just how incredibly impressed with himself he was.  Given that the Leafs won, and the blown assignment didn't lead to a goal because of Bernier's amazing save, it's a great time to point out to Kadri that he should have done better there.  You're not pinning a loss on him, you're just telling him "here's a way you can get better".

I don't think it's bad either. Kadri missed his assignment. I'm betting Kadri knows he missed his assignment. I don't think Carlyle speaking honestly about it is going to hurt him. He scored two goals, played a great game and should be lauded for that. That said, I agree that Carlyle should be on Kadri regardless of the truth of my last sentence because he can always improve.

Missing that assignment was almost the undoing of the good that Kadri had done in scoring two before that. It let the Bolts right back into the game and was a very preventable.

I can see how Kadri would drive a coach (any coach) crazy.. when he gets the offense going he's as dangerous as anyone, but he also becomes very high risk in his decisions in the offensive zone and tends to have defensive zone lapses like last night.

I think we should be pretty content that all in all, Carlyle and the Leafs are taking the good with the bad in Kadri and hope that when it's all said and done, he can whittle out as much of the bad as possible in the next year or two.

 

[TML fan]

Franson played that as well as he could. It was essentially a 2 on 1 once that pass got to Hedman. Kadri definitely screwed up.