Luongo

[ZBBM]

This is/was my preferred scenario up until the Luongo idea started to grow on me.  Biron + Reimer/Scrivens to me gives you room for the kids to grow but a veteran who has been around long enough to deal with tough times, but is also a guy who probably can live with being the #2 if Reimer regains his form or Scrivens comes in and continues on with his dominant play.

I think my issue with the idea of adding Biron is that I'm not entirely sure that a goaltending tandem of Biron/Reimer or Biron/Scrivens is much more likely to make the playoffs than Reimer/Scrivens would be. In both cases I think the determining factor in whether or not the team makes the playoffs is whether Reimer or Scrivens emerges as a #1. If both guys struggle and Biron is the #1 goalie I'd still say the Leafs are a longshot to make the playoffs.

Making the playoffs next year may save Burke's job but, long run, I think the team is better off with a disastrous Scrivens/Reimer tandem than a season where Biron helps them scratch out a few points and they draft 8-14.

That's a valid point.  It may push Burke more in Luongo's direction.

 

[Redleaf]

This is/was my preferred scenario up until the Luongo idea started to grow on me.  Biron + Reimer/Scrivens to me gives you room for the kids to grow but a veteran who has been around long enough to deal with tough times, but is also a guy who probably can live with being the #2 if Reimer regains his form or Scrivens comes in and continues on with his dominant play.

I think my issue with the idea of adding Biron is that I'm not entirely sure that a goaltending tandem of Biron/Reimer or Biron/Scrivens is much more likely to make the playoffs than Reimer/Scrivens would be. In both cases I think the determining factor in whether or not the team makes the playoffs is whether Reimer or Scrivens emerges as a #1. If both guys struggle and Biron is the #1 goalie I'd still say the Leafs are a longshot to make the playoffs.

Making the playoffs next year may save Burke's job but, long run, I think the team is better off with a disastrous Scrivens/Reimer tandem than a season where Biron helps them scratch out a few points and they draft 8-14.

That's a valid point.  It may push Burke more in Luongo's direction.

I have a feeling it already has. Miss the playoffs next year, and Burke may very well be on the outside looking in. Under that assumption what available goaltender would you target, killer contract or not?

 

[maplesyrup]

On the other hand, what's worse for Burke - Not acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs or acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs?  If the latter happens, it could be a while before Burke finds his way back in to hockey management - Period. 

 

[Kin]

On the other hand, what's worse for Burke - Not acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs or acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs?  If the latter happens, it could be a while before Burke finds his way back in to hockey management - Period.

Honestly, I don't think there's a difference.

 

[Corn Flake]

On the other hand, what's worse for Burke - Not acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs or acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs?  If the latter happens, it could be a while before Burke finds his way back in to hockey management - Period.

Well if you get Luongo and miss, you can say you went out and got the best possible solution to the biggest problem this team has dealt with in the last 7 seasons.. and you probably won't end up giving up anything too great to make it happen.  The team with the most cash (or 2nd most.. whatever it is) in hand to invest in their team should not be afraid of money considerations when it comes to a move like this.

If Luongo is going to cost money AND prime assets then you can argue against it a lot easier, citing that it would throw off the building of a young team, but if the asset is essentially "free" from the trade perspective, IMO is where I conclude that it is hard to say no.

 

[Redleaf]

On the other hand, what's worse for Burke - Not acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs or acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs?  If the latter happens, it could be a while before Burke finds his way back in to hockey management - Period.

Personally, I think not acquiring him and missing is worse. Critics can at least look at it and say Burke did go out and pick up an experienced tender with good numbers and lots of accolades that should/could have made a big difference for the club. Of course no one can say for sure, but I think the odds are pretty good Luongo tips the scale in favor of a playoff berth.

 

[maplesyrup]

Seems Vokoun also got a NTC.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

If the Leafs get Luongo, Brad Thiessen and Ben Scrivens should form a support group.

 

[maplesyrup]

On the other hand, what's worse for Burke - Not acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs or acquiring Luongo and missing the playoffs?  If the latter happens, it could be a while before Burke finds his way back in to hockey management - Period.

Honestly, I don't think there's a difference.

I suppose there's some truth to that. I mean, if we didn't get Luongo and miss, many will suggest Luongo could have been the difference and if we do get Luongo and miss, well, I'm sure many of those same people might point that on hitching the wagon to him. In truth, it's really not an enviable position to be in.

 

[moon111]

If the Leafs get Luongo, Brad Thiessen and Ben Scrivens should form a support group.

If the Leafs get Luongo, Scrivens might be in Vancouver.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If the Leafs get Luongo, Brad Thiessen and Ben Scrivens should form a support group.

If the Leafs get Luongo, Scrivens might be in Vancouver.

Vancouver has their own Scrivens and Thiessen in Eddie Lack.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Contracts aside, based on talent, skill, reliability, experience, etcetera, etcetera....whom would you rather have -- Thomas or Luongo?

Which of these two would help the Leafs more, less...?

 

[drummond]

Contracts aside, based on talent, skill, reliability, experience, etcetera, etcetera....whom would you rather have -- Thomas or Luongo?

Which of these two would help the Leafs more, less...?

I would rather have Thomas

 

[Corn Flake]

Contracts aside, based on talent, skill, reliability, experience, etcetera, etcetera....whom would you rather have -- Thomas or Luongo?

Which of these two would help the Leafs more, less...?

I would rather have Thomas

Except for that whole not playing next year thing....

 

[Redleaf]

Contracts aside, based on talent, skill, reliability, experience, etcetera, etcetera....whom would you rather have -- Thomas or Luongo?

Which of these two would help the Leafs more, less...?

I would rather have Thomas

Except for that whole not playing next year thing....

And the fact that hockey takes a back seat to his important world view tweets, and bouts of existentialism. 

 

[drummond]

Contracts aside, based on talent, skill, reliability, experience, etcetera, etcetera....whom would you rather have -- Thomas or Luongo?

Which of these two would help the Leafs more, less...?

I would rather have Thomas

Except for that whole not playing next year thing....

If there is hockey next year at all

 

[Corn Flake]

Contracts aside, based on talent, skill, reliability, experience, etcetera, etcetera....whom would you rather have -- Thomas or Luongo?

Which of these two would help the Leafs more, less...?

I would rather have Thomas

Except for that whole not playing next year thing....

If there is hockey next year at all

Hmmm... TIM THOMAS HAS SEEN THE FUTURE!!!

 

[Etiam Vultus]

Contracts aside, based on talent, skill, reliability, experience, etcetera, etcetera....whom would you rather have -- Thomas or Luongo?

Which of these two would help the Leafs more, less...?

Let's see, would we want a goalie who is one year removed from a Stanley Cup, Conn Smyth Trophy and a Vezina?

Of course not!  We want one who is more politically correct.  An ability to stop the puck should be secondary.

 

[bustaheims]

Let's see, would we want a goalie who is one year removed from a Stanley Cup, Conn Smyth Trophy and a Vezina?

Of course not!  We want one who is more politically correct.  An ability to stop the puck should be secondary.

Well, the first concern should really be a goalie who hasn't indicated he's not going to play in the 12/13 season, which, at his age, is all but announcing his retirement.

 

[Kin]

Let's see, would we want a goalie who is one year removed from a Stanley Cup, Conn Smyth Trophy and a Vezina?

Of course not!  We want one who is more politically correct.  An ability to stop the puck should be secondary.

I like how that's said as though Luongo isn't one year removed from taking his team to game 7 of the Cup final, a serious shot at the Conn Smythe and a Vezina nomination.