Marlies Talk

[crazyperfectdevil]

glad they got the win ..i'm still surprised they did ..though i guess it's still a credit to them that they could get the win despite missing 3 fairly key players...i hope some of them are coming back for game 5

Four of their top 8 forward scorers were out tonight:
Kadri, Zigomanis, Mueller & Ashton. Makes the result that much more impressive. I couldn't find out much about when they'll return. I think Ashton (concussion) is practicing with the team.

Yeah I totally forgot about Ashton ..it's good the team is deep...but IF they get through this round ..i don't want to get ahead of myself..but if they do I think they're going to need to be pretty much healthy if they're to have a shot against the Admirals ...they really seem like a scary team

 

[cw]

glad they got the win ..i'm still surprised they did ..though i guess it's still a credit to them that they could get the win despite missing 3 fairly key players...i hope some of them are coming back for game 5

Four of their top 8 forward scorers were out tonight:
Kadri, Zigomanis, Mueller & Ashton. Makes the result that much more impressive. I couldn't find out much about when they'll return. I think Ashton (concussion) is practicing with the team.

Yeah I totally forgot about Ashton ..it's good the team is deep...but IF they get through this round ..i don't want to get ahead of myself..but if they do I think they're going to need to be pretty much healthy if they're to have a shot against the Admirals ...they really seem like a scary team

For sure. Particularly when scoring and their PP are the weakest characteristics of the Marlies.

 

[maplesyrup]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle

Marlies @scrivens_30 improved his AHL best save percentage to .942 tonight with a shutout. Looks very ready for the next level.

I don't think we should be throwing both Reimer & Scrivens out there next year but assuming we acquire another keeper, we should get some value here from either of these guys via trade.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle

Marlies @scrivens_30 improved his AHL best save percentage to .942 tonight with a shutout. Looks very ready for the next level.

I don't think we should be throwing both Reimer & Scrivens out there next year but assuming we acquire another keeper, we should get some value here from either of these guys via trade.

I'm sure I'm not alone in being more optimistic about Scrivens' future at this point than Reimer's.

 

[cw]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle

Marlies @scrivens_30 improved his AHL best save percentage to .942 tonight with a shutout. Looks very ready for the next level.

I don't think we should be throwing both Reimer & Scrivens out there next year but assuming we acquire another keeper, we should get some value here from either of these guys via trade.

I'm sure I'm not alone in being more optimistic about Scrivens' future at this point than Reimer's.

I don't have much confidence in assessing goalies these days. Having said that, I'd lean Scrivens way right now but not by a lot. He's playing behind a really, really good defensive club right now. He's played well and I don't mean to take anything away from him but those skaters truly deserve some credit for his dazzling save%.

The Marlies D is arguably the best defensive D any Leafs AHL team has had going back decades in my opinion. Aside from the better known prospects, forwards like Hamilton & Scott for example are very good and versatile two way forwards.

How good those skaters are defensively messes with my assessment of Scrivens. Naturally though, the Marlies wouldn't be where they are without Scrivens very solid play.

 

[Erndog]

I was just going to come and post about that.

There's just no way we can run with a Reimer-Scrivens duo next season but I have no doubt both guys CAN perform at the NHL level.  You just don't want to give/trade one away, have them become pretty decent goalies elsewhere and get stuck with the lesser of the two.  Similar to when we traded Rask and chose Pogge.

Can we run with 3 goalies during camp and the start of the season?  NYI did it last year.  Ottawa did it for a time last year.   

Save making the decision at a later time.

 

[Zee]

I was just going to come and post about that.

There's just no way we can run with a Reimer-Scrivens duo next season but I have no doubt both guys CAN perform at the NHL level.  You just don't want to give/trade one away, have them become pretty decent goalies elsewhere and get stuck with the lesser of the two.  Similar to when we traded Rask and chose Pogge.

Can we run with 3 goalies during camp and the start of the season?  NYI did it last year.  Ottawa did it for a time last year.   

Save making the decision at a later time.

Problem with trading one away is neither one will get you a great return at this point in their careers.  Reimer only played a half good season and Scrivens not even that.  Hopefully Leafs can develop at least one of them and not make the same mistake we did with Rask.

 

[Corn Flake]

Scrivens is RFA this summer and waiver eligible at camp.  Makes things tricky.  I'm guessing Scrivens' agent pushes for a one-way deal and probably gets it. 

I'm concerned, mostly because Burke's dice rolling on goalies has turned out really awful so far and the choice on how to move forward with Reimer/Scrivens/Veteran is the biggest off-season decision the team has. 

I think you sign the veteran and go with the 3 of them to camp and see how it plays out.  Carlyle needs to have as many options as possible for goalies and Burke certainly can't take this "meh, we will fix it later if we have to" approach he took last year. 

Really tough call and Scrivens is making it even tougher.

 

[maplesyrup]

Keeping in mind I suck at predictions, I predict one of Reimer or Scrivens is a gonner.

 

[Newbury]

Keeping in mind I suck at predictions, I predict one of Reimer or Scrivens is a gonner.

At this point, I'm hoping it would be Reimer that goes. Even with his awful year last year I think he may have more trade value, but at the same time I think Scrivens is more capable of playing in Toronto.

 

[Zee]

Keeping in mind I suck at predictions, I predict one of Reimer or Scrivens is a gonner.

At this point, I'm hoping it would be Reimer that goes. Even with his awful year last year I think he may have more trade value, but at the same time I think Scrivens is more capable of playing in Toronto.

I tend to agree that Reimer might be worth more in a trade (although like I said before neither will fetch a great piece back at this point).  The Leafs need to sign a solid #1 goalie if one of Reimer/Scrivens will be backup though.  Best scenario in my opinion is to have a veteran as your #1, one of Reimer/Scrivens as backup, and Rynnas and Owuya on the Marlies getting ready for the future.

 

[Kin]

There's just no way we can run with a Reimer-Scrivens duo next season but I have no doubt both guys CAN perform at the NHL level.

I think you can go with Reimer/Scrivens. The team would just have to be of the opinion that none of the #1 goalies available to them would be worth the cost in terms of contract/assets. The only way the team is competitive next year is with a solid #1 goalie and signing a veteran back-up doesn't really do that. At this point I'd almost rather go Scrivens/Reimer and take the two shots at having a young goalie develop into a top notch goalie.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I think we'll probably wind up going with three goalie with the big team next year, there will be a veteran backup plus Reimer and Scrivens.

They have Rynnas and Owuya who can take care of the Marlies and I doubt they risk losing Scrivens/Reimer to waivers.  As for trading Scrivens right now, his value is probably around the same as that of a Ben Bishop, I'd rather keep him and see if he is the real deal at this stage.

If one goes, it's probably Reimer. 

Unless they can get a Luongo calibre goalie I'm pretty much with Nik in that I'd go with Reimer/Scrivens and hope that one is the real deal.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think you can go with Reimer/Scrivens. The team would just have to be of the opinion that none of the #1 goalies available to them would be worth the cost in terms of contract/assets. The only way the team is competitive next year is with a solid #1 goalie and signing a veteran back-up doesn't really do that. At this point I'd almost rather go Scrivens/Reimer and take the two shots at having a young goalie develop into a top notch goalie.

I've heard crazier ideas.

 

[bustaheims]

In some ways, the goaltending situation sort of depends on what else the team can get done in the summer. If there are some significant changes, then I think there needs to be an upgrade in net to add to those changes. If there aren't, then there's no reason to force it. Upgrading the goaltending without upgrading the rest of the team is like putting lipstick on a pig. Outside of landing a truly elite young goalie (which is extremely unlikely), if other significant areas aren't upgraded, I'd run with Reimer and Scrivens. Another high draft pick and less cap commitments for what could be the best UFA class of all time next summer isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

I think you can go with Reimer/Scrivens. The team would just have to be of the opinion that none of the #1 goalies available to them would be worth the cost in terms of contract/assets. The only way the team is competitive next year is with a solid #1 goalie and signing a veteran back-up doesn't really do that. At this point I'd almost rather go Scrivens/Reimer and take the two shots at having a young goalie develop into a top notch goalie.

In the bigger picture, the Leafs should be looking at some significant turnover from the Leafs forwards and defensemen in favour of creating roster spots for some Marlie graduates. 

This would allow Burke to try to package several current Leaf roster players (instead of prospects and draft choices) in a trade for a big centre or a shut down defenseman. 

 

[AlmosGirl]

So, was at the game last night and it was a blast.  The kids and hubby really enjoyed it.  The atmosphere was unreal and I'm sure that's what made it so much fun.

The Marlies were really tentative in the first period and I'm sure it was because they were missing Kadri and a few other guys that can put the puck in the net.  They played a very defensive game and waited for their opportunities where they capitalized on them.

Yes, the Barons outshot them but really it wasn't like they were all over them.  The Marlies really kept the Barons to the outside.  Alot of perimeter shots and Scrivens was able to see everything.  They cleared the net really well.  They played a simple smart game and came away with the win.  You could see how frustrated the Baron's players were.

Anyhoo, we had a great time and I'd go back tomorrow night if I had a babysitter!    I would definitely tell people to go if they can.  For $17 to $50 a seat, definitely worth it.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think you can go with Reimer/Scrivens. The team would just have to be of the opinion that none of the #1 goalies available to them would be worth the cost in terms of contract/assets. The only way the team is competitive next year is with a solid #1 goalie and signing a veteran back-up doesn't really do that. At this point I'd almost rather go Scrivens/Reimer and take the two shots at having a young goalie develop into a top notch goalie.

I've heard crazier ideas.

* bump *  (Sorry.)

I have to ask... Isn't this rather like trading down in the draft? - Hoping one of two smaller caliber bullets hit rather than missing with the larger one? A couple months ago I suggested perhaps trading down and it wasn't that well received by the masses but yet here, it (potentially) doesn't seem all that crazy - depending on what the Leafs' other moves are of course.

 

[Kin]

I have to ask... Isn't this rather like trading down in the draft?

No.

 

[maplesyrup]

No.

Presumably because you feel that our prospect pool is deep enough?