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Mayor Rob Ford

pnjunction said:
Yep.  I know people who can consistently shrug this off because they have stated they don't care about drug use just about how he does the job.
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I really struggle with the mindset that would argue that someone being a crack user is somehow irrelevant to the question of their job performance.
 
pnjunction said:
Yep.  I know people who can consistently shrug this off because they have stated they don't care about drug use just about how he does the job.
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But, by that same criteria, he should resign. He hasn't exactly performed all that well in the role of mayor.
 
I don't live in T.O. but I keep hearing from Rob Ford defenders about what a marvelous job he's gone with the budget. Okay, fine. Whatever. I have to ask though, how much further ahead is the average T.O tax payer? I mean, is the holiday season going to be significantly more joyous with all the money he's saved you guys? - Or, not so much? 
 
Dr. Bobby Leafer said:
I don't live in T.O. but I keep hearing from Rob Ford defenders about what a marvelous job he's gone with the budget. Okay, fine. Whatever. I have to ask though, how much further ahead is the average T.O tax payer? I mean, is the holiday season going to be significantly more joyous with all the money he's saved you guys? - Or, not so much?
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The "marvellous job he did with the budget" involved an increase in revenue from a tax Ford wanted to do away with, not filling vacant job positions and lower than expected spending by the TTC. I'm not sure the average tax payer felt anything at all. I know I didn't.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/248-million-surplus-positive-proof-of-fords-cost-cutting-budget-chair-says/article12338434/

Also, I know you didn't mention it, but, it's something else his supporters point to - his claims to have reduced the city's debt have been shown to be misleading.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-says-hes-reducing-the-citys-debt-when-in-fact-the-opposite-is-true/article14061569/
 
the thing is..i don't even think you have to point to the crack use..just what comes with it.  it seems from what little i've gathered today that he was being exhorted by his "friend" because of his drug use..it's bad enough dealing with lobbyists
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
Well, what reason does he have to resign?
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Even in a representative democracy there is something to be said for having credibility and public support between elections. If people don't have faith in their elected officials to make responsible decisions, and I'm not sure it's unfair for that faith to be shaken by the use of crack cocaine, then what mandate can a politician really have?

True, he doesn't have any reason he has to resign but I think the public revelation of a pretty serious drug problem is a reason to resign.
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If doing the right thing is something you care about which, as I said, he obviously doesn't.
 
Ford's lawyer wants the video released to the public because he says it'll prove it's not crack that he's smoking.  This coming from the same camp that said the video never existed to begin with.

Also what's funny, the lawyer wants the video released and they'll say it's not crack, because you obviously can't prove what he's smoking just by watching a video, however he IS heard making racist and homophobic remarks on the video, while appearing incoherent and under the influence of something.  Is this really in the best interest?  "You can't prove it's crack!"   

Incredible what this story has come to.  What an embarrassment for the city.
 
Zee said:
Ford's lawyer wants the video released to the public because he says it'll prove it's not crack that he's smoking.  This coming from the same camp that said the video never existed to begin with.
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No, you must have mis-heard him.  Rob said for the longest time that there was no video  ;)
 
TML fan said:
If doing the right thing is something you care about which, as I said, he obviously doesn't.
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Sure, although I suppose I was more making the point that "doing the right thing" isn't the only reason to resign. If someone has a serious drug problem, and regardless of how occasionally you use it crack seems to qualify, and a very high-stress job then resigning is as much in one's self-interest as anything.
 
What would the reaction of the constituents be if he were to come forward today, in a puddle of tears, and admit he has a drug problem - and that he's going to a 28 day program.  Would people cave and let him off, or still go for him to resign?
 
Rick said:
What would the reaction of the constituents be if he were to come forward today, in a puddle of tears, and admit he has a drug problem - and that he's going to a 28 day program.  Would people cave and let him off, or still go for him to resign?
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I'm guessing it would break down more or less along the same lines it already does. The people who are inclined to think that he should keep his job still will and those who think there's an incompatibility between being a crack smoker and the mayor probably still will.
 
Rick said:
What would the reaction of the constituents be if he were to come forward today, in a puddle of tears, and admit he has a drug problem - and that he's going to a 28 day program.  Would people cave and let him off, or still go for him to resign?
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I think a lot of people, his supporters in particular of course, would cave and let him off if he did that.  A lot of those same people right now are STILL saying he hasn't done anything wrong. 
 
A guy named "Ian," who sounds an awful lot like Rob Ford, called into Bill Carroll's show yesterday:

http://soundcloud.com/am640/carroll-is-this-rob-ford-oct
 
louisstamos said:
A guy named "Ian," who sounds an awful lot like Rob Ford, called into Bill Carroll's show yesterday:

http://soundcloud.com/am640/carroll-is-this-rob-ford-oct
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Well, at least he didn't go with Guy Incognito.
 
Rick said:
What would the reaction of the constituents be if he were to come forward today, in a puddle of tears, and admit he has a drug problem - and that he's going to a 28 day program.  Would people cave and let him off, or still go for him to resign?
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It might help in terms of how people see him as a person, but, I think he's dug too deep a grave for himself in terms of how people see him as mayor.
 
louisstamos said:
A guy named "Ian," who sounds an awful lot like Rob Ford, called into Bill Carroll's show yesterday:

http://soundcloud.com/am640/carroll-is-this-rob-ford-oct
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I swear. You can't make stuff like this up. He's a walking talking headline of hilarity.
 
Nik the Trik said:
louisstamos said:
A guy named "Ian," who sounds an awful lot like Rob Ford, called into Bill Carroll's show yesterday:

http://soundcloud.com/am640/carroll-is-this-rob-ford-oct
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Well, at least he didn't go with Guy Incognito.
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Too hard for him to pronounce.
 
RedLeaf said:
louisstamos said:
A guy named "Ian," who sounds an awful lot like Rob Ford, called into Bill Carroll's show yesterday:

http://soundcloud.com/am640/carroll-is-this-rob-ford-oct
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I swear. You can't make stuff like this up. He's a walking talking headline of hilarity.
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If that was actually him....I have no words.
 
That sound clip is absolutely unbelievable.  I can't believe this is possible, that someone in Ford's position would go and do this.  AMazing.
 
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