Moving Grabbo and Kuli

[slapshot]

I think it's time to clean house here.  Grabbo is grossly overpaid at $5.5 million. My biggest problem with him is I am not sure what he is? A scorer? He has really been scoring the past two years. A play maker, definitely not. A shutdown guy? Nope. A face-off specialist? Nada. That is strike four, one more than three and your out. Definitely an overpayment by Burke because they had no one at center.

Plus there is always this KHL overpayment threat hanging around. Look at Komarov. Gonzo. Grabbo needs to go, so we can keep Bozak for less money and find a true number 1 with Kadri as number 2. If Grabbo goes, it seems only logical to move Kuli as well. Kuli might be attractive to some clubs for his two-way effort, despite his low scoring totals. He actually started to find the back of the net a bit when playing with a guy like Kadri. However, I think if Grabbo was gone, Kuli might feel a bit isolated cultural wise.

The big questions is could we actually move Grabbo and get something worthwhile in return. We may have to eat big contract at another position to make it work.

 

[Tigger]

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[bustaheims]

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+1

 

[Champ Kind]

Move along, nothing to see here

 

[mr grieves]

I think it's time to clean house here.  Grabbo is grossly overpaid at $5.5 million.
[SNIP]

... and you're already wrong.

UFA centers with his numbers gets pretty much that, maybe $.5m less.

 

[Kin]

I think it's time to clean house here.  Grabbo is grossly overpaid at $5.5 million. My biggest problem with him is I am not sure what he is? A scorer? He has really been scoring the past two years.

The past two years? I mean, I get that he had a bad year this year but last year he had 23 goals and 51 points in 74 games. It was the second best year of his career and a measly .03 PPG lower than his best year.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I think it's time to clean house here.  Grabbo is grossly overpaid at $5.5 million.
[SNIP]

... and you're already wrong.

UFA centers with his numbers gets pretty much that, maybe $.5m less.

Not with his numbers last year.  I agree he should be traded.  That would free up money to sign Lecavelier

 

[Bullfrog]

Plus there is always this KHL overpayment threat hanging around. Look at Komarov. Gonzo.

What overpayment threat? He's under contract for four more seasons.

 

[mr grieves]

I think it's time to clean house here.  Grabbo is grossly overpaid at $5.5 million.
[SNIP]

... and you're already wrong.

UFA centers with his numbers gets pretty much that, maybe $.5m less.

Not with his numbers last year.  I agree he should be traded.  That would free up money to sign Lecavelier

The strangest thing, hearing about his terrible season and looking at stats that measure rate of production, is that he scored .84 G/60 last season, which is about what he'd done the last two seasons. Had he not been playing on the third line, he'd probably have had another ~25 goal season. Of course, the assists were way down, but his most frequent linemates were Kuli and Jay McClement.

Now, if he has the same shooting percentage and basically the same minutes-per-shot as years past (give or take the increased number of Dzone starts), what do you think accounts for the numbers last year?

 

[Stickytape]

Grabbo had a tough year under Carlyle during the regular season, and I don't think he was used to the best of his ability.  However, I thought he played hard in the playoffs and hopefully caught RC's attention and earned a little respect.  I'd like to see how he shapes up and how he's used this season before making any decisions.

 

[GoBuds]

Okay, so you see Grabbo is overpaid, can't score, can't win a face off etc.

Based on the case you made if you were the GM of another team what would you give up for him?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I think it's time to clean house here.  Grabbo is grossly overpaid at $5.5 million.
[SNIP]

... and you're already wrong.

UFA centers with his numbers gets pretty much that, maybe $.5m less.

Not with his numbers last year.  I agree he should be traded.  That would free up money to sign Lecavelier

The strangest thing, hearing about his terrible season and looking at stats that measure rate of production, is that he scored .84 G/60 last season, which is about what he'd done the last two seasons. Had he not been playing on the third line, he'd probably have had another ~25 goal season. Of course, the assists were way down, but his most frequent linemates were Kuli and Jay McClement.

Now, if he has the same shooting percentage and basically the same minutes-per-shot as years past (give or take the increased number of Dzone starts), what do you think accounts for the numbers last year?

This was argued all season and some people still wouldn't cut Grabovski any slack on his offensive production.

Heck, I've read recently on here that he had a terrible playoffs, which doesn't really jive with what I saw of him - he seemed to be all over the ice, just couldn't pot a goal.  Sort of like Seguin for Boston all playoffs.

 

[Bonsixx]

Wasn't Grabbo like -10 or something against the Bruins. Not saying that's the be-all, end-all, but still...

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Read this somewhere else too, but bring back Stalberg this summer, and if Nonis finds someone other than Grabovski to play with Kessel (although I don't know at this point if Carlyle would play Grabbo with Kessel even if he was the only C on the team), run with this:

Stalberg - Grabovski - Kulemin

That line would be great, and would easily make up for Frattin being dealt.

 

[Stickytape]

Wasn't Grabbo like -10 or something against the Bruins. Not saying that's the be-all, end-all, but still...

He was, and it's the worst +/- on the team in the playoffs, but it's a tricky stat.  Phaneuf was -6, McClement was -4, and Gardiner was -3.  It's still pretty worrying, but I was happy with his hits and shots on goal, and the amount of ice time he handled.  He had a lot of energy which I hadn't seen much of during the regular season.

 

[drummond]

Kuli is going nowhere, he is on a cheap contract, Carlyle likes him and he does so many little things right that the Leafs would be foolish to let him go. If he rediscovers his scoring touch, it would be just a bonus. I am happy with what he does already.

 

[moon111]

I think Randy Carlyle identified Grabs as a player like allot of Leafs were in the 80's.  Someone is finally working on making him not only a player who can score, but can win hockey games.  He was given some tough assignments this year.  Kulemin IMHO, is way further in overall development then Grabs.  I could deal both of them, heck anyone on the team... if the price is right.

 

[bustaheims]

Wasn't Grabbo like -10 or something against the Bruins. Not saying that's the be-all, end-all, but still...

It's pretty meaningless, unless you can attach blame to Grabovski for a good chunk of the goals that went in while he was on the ice. He's only one player. He can be doing everything right for every second of shift when called upon to play on the defensive side of the puck, and goals will still go in.

 

[Kin]

Wasn't Grabbo like -10 or something against the Bruins. Not saying that's the be-all, end-all, but still...

It's pretty meaningless, unless you can attach blame to Grabovski for a good chunk of the goals that went in while he was on the ice. He's only one player. He can be doing everything right for every second of shift when called upon to play on the defensive side of the puck, and goals will still go in.

It's also worth mentioning that the line that Grabo's line got matched up against, the Krejci line, did sort of end up doing that to everyone in the playoffs.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Wasn't Grabbo like -10 or something against the Bruins. Not saying that's the be-all, end-all, but still...

It's pretty meaningless, unless you can attach blame to Grabovski for a good chunk of the goals that went in while he was on the ice. He's only one player. He can be doing everything right for every second of shift when called upon to play on the defensive side of the puck, and goals will still go in.

It's also worth mentioning that the line that Grabo's line got matched up against, the Krejci line, did sort of end up doing that to everyone in the playoffs.

And add to that the Grabovski line being pretty snake-bitten to score themselves.  Think he was only on the ice for 2 goals for or something, so it doesn't take much to get an ugly minus number in those situations.