Nonis Legacy - Good and Bad
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Britishbulldog
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So am I the only one here thinking that Phaneuf should not have been re-signed 7 years at $7 MIL a year?? 
What about oft-injured Lupul for 5 years and $26 MIL?? Bozak at $21 MIL?? I thought the general consensus is that Nonis over paid on all the players he saw as a core including the UFAs.
I don't believe that I am wrong.
What about oft-injured Lupul for 5 years and $26 MIL?? Bozak at $21 MIL?? I thought the general consensus is that Nonis over paid on all the players he saw as a core including the UFAs. I don't believe that I am wrong.
Britishbulldog said:So am I the only one here thinking that Phaneuf should not have been re-signed 7 years at $7 MIL a year??
I don't believe that I am wrong.
Not sure about Bozak's deal being way off but I think when (and if) they move Lupul and Phaneuf's contracts, the salary they eat to get some young talent back will prove you right.
Kin
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Britishbulldog said:So am I the only one here thinking that Phaneuf should not have been re-signed 7 years at $7 MIL a year??
I don't believe that I am wrong.
It depends on what you mean by "over paid". I think a fair argument can be made that in a league where 10 or 11 million dollars gets you an elite talent that the players who are correctly slotted at 7 or 8 million are ones that, unless they're being seen as complimentary pieces, are somewhat counter-productive. Like I said, I'm receptive to the argument that Phaneuf shouldn't have been re-signed, and I'm someone who advocated a rebuild for many years, but Nonis didn't "over pay" in the sense that he signed them for more than their market value. In fact, a fair argument could be made in most of these cases that he actually signed them at below market value.
Walking away from Phaneuf may have been the right move but re-signing him at a significantly lower price simply wasn't a realistic option. Nonis' options were re-sign Phaneuf or rebuild which, realistically, meant re-sign him or get fired.
Britishbulldog
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So in the end Nonis's legacy can be rated as:
- Half Decent to Great trades (which should be the responsibilities of the Pro Scouts)
- Bad UFA signings above $1.5 MIL (which should be the responsibilities of the Pro Scouts)
- Half Decent drafting (which should be the responsibilities of the Amateur Scouts)
- Bad Buyouts (which should be the responsibilities of the Capologist)
- Re-Signings of Leaf RFA and UFA players are arguably market value or better which is Half Decent to Good.
I wonder why the Pro Scouts could assess talent in the trades but not be able to recognize the bad UFA signings that even fans could see. I guess it could be argued that none of the trades since Matthew Lombardi were for top 6 forwards or top pairing dmen. That kind of keeps the bar low.
- Half Decent to Great trades (which should be the responsibilities of the Pro Scouts)
- Bad UFA signings above $1.5 MIL (which should be the responsibilities of the Pro Scouts)
- Half Decent drafting (which should be the responsibilities of the Amateur Scouts)
- Bad Buyouts (which should be the responsibilities of the Capologist)
- Re-Signings of Leaf RFA and UFA players are arguably market value or better which is Half Decent to Good.
I wonder why the Pro Scouts could assess talent in the trades but not be able to recognize the bad UFA signings that even fans could see. I guess it could be argued that none of the trades since Matthew Lombardi were for top 6 forwards or top pairing dmen. That kind of keeps the bar low.
mr grieves
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Britishbulldog said:
This is far too kind. He inherited a team with a lot of cap flexibility that had scoring depth and strengths in goal and on the wings, but a shortage of talent at center and on defense (barring extremely rapid growth from the promising prospects), and he got another goalie, weakened the team at center, invested in but downgraded the wings, dumped the scoring depth, made no improvements on defense, and capped them out.
The nicest thing that could be said about Nonis's tenure, I think, is what Nik said years back -- he embraced the core of the Burke retooling and accomplished a stealth tank.