Nonis using depth to go shopping....

[maplesyrup]

BTW, I would love to see Liles traded this year for some ones 1st pick.

Unless it's a real good one, I'm not interested in that. Liles is a bird in the hand and having watched him play, he's a keeper I think. Who knows, maybe he's got some outrageous contract demands but I (for one) would like to retain this player. 

 

[Corn Flake]

Sorry.... why are we moving Liles?  Did we miss the playoffs?

 

[Madferret]

Sorry.... why are we moving Liles?  Did we miss the playoffs?

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

 

[maplesyrup]

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

Like I said, he's not worth any old 1st rounder. 

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Sorry.... why are we moving Liles?  Did we miss the playoffs?

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

I don't think a late 1st like the Leafs received for Kaberle is out of the question, though I don't think he's getting moved anyways.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Liles went for a second and is having a better year, not a stretch to suggest he is worth a late 1st for a team in win now mode and a hole on the PP.

Not that I am saying trade him, but if we come to that bridge come deadline time and don't have a shot ourselves.

 

[maplesyrup]

Sorry.... why are we moving Liles?  Did we miss the playoffs?

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

I don't think a late 1st like the Leafs received for Kaberle is out of the question, though I don't think he's getting moved anyways.

We got Colborne and a 1st for Kaberle who was also an upcoming UFA. Suggest a good prospect and a 1st rounder for Liles, I listen but as I said, I'm not inclined to move him at the moment. 

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Sorry.... why are we moving Liles?  Did we miss the playoffs?

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

I don't think a late 1st like the Leafs received for Kaberle is out of the question, though I don't think he's getting moved anyways.

We got Colborne and a 1st for Kaberle who was also an upcoming UFA. Suggest a good prospect and a 1st rounder for Liles, I listen but as I said, I'm not inclined to move him at the moment.

Yeah I know what the return was. I'd be very surprised to see the same return for Liles (ie a 1st + a Colborne type prospect).

 

[maplesyrup]

Sorry.... why are we moving Liles?  Did we miss the playoffs?

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

I don't think a late 1st like the Leafs received for Kaberle is out of the question, though I don't think he's getting moved anyways.

We got Colborne and a 1st for Kaberle who was also an upcoming UFA. Suggest a good prospect and a 1st rounder for Liles, I listen but as I said, I'm not inclined to move him at the moment.

Yeah I know what the return was. I'd be very surprised to see the same return for Liles (ie a 1st + a Colborne type prospect).

So would I. He's probably not going to fetch a 1st AND an excellent prospect like Colborne but he'd fetch at least ONE of those in my mind. Anyway, unless we're out of the playoffs, I'd rather be discussing his extension rather than his return.   

 

[bustaheims]

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

Worth a 2nd in the summer, having a good year and traditionally inflated trade values at the trade deadline. Starting price (if the Leafs are looking to move him, which seems unlikely) would be a 1st round pick or equivalent prospect.

 

[Zee]

More importantly...how / why is Liles worth a 1st rounder all of a sudden?

Worth a 2nd in the summer, having a good year and traditionally inflated trade values at the trade deadline. Starting price (if the Leafs are looking to move him, which seems unlikely) would be a 1st round pick or equivalent prospect.

Boston will want a puck moving defenseman again like last year. Who's their current #1 prospect?

 

[Madferret]

Wasn't the 2nd that was sent to Colorado for Liles Boston's? And he's in a contract year? To me it doesn't add up but if Burke can get a 1st for him all the power to him. The going rate for a pending UFA defenseman without a lot of playoff experience at the deadline last year was a late round second pick - if the positions were reversed I don't think many of you would be too happy if Burke traded away a 1st for him.

Like Flake said it is kind of a moot point to talk about trading him but I guess if someone is offering Burke a 1st for him he'd have to do his due diligence and at least entertain the idea.

 

[leafplasma]

The more I see of Liles, the more I like, he really is an upgrade on Kabs with a bit of grit even.  Kudos to the whole Plus Liles, Colborne, 1st round pick and Minus Kabs and 2nd round pick cumulative scenario.

 

[bustaheims]

Wasn't the 2nd that was sent to Colorado for Liles Boston's? And he's in a contract year? To me it doesn't add up but if Burke can get a 1st for him all the power to him. The going rate for a pending UFA defenseman without a lot of playoff experience at the deadline last year was a late round second pick - if the positions were reversed I don't think many of you would be too happy if Burke traded away a 1st for him.

Like Flake said it is kind of a moot point to talk about trading him but I guess if someone is offering Burke a 1st for him he'd have to do his due diligence and at least entertain the idea.

None of the defencemen that were traded for 2nd round picks at the last deadline who weren't on the verge of retirement had a track record equivalent to what Liles has done. Not a single one had cracked the 40 point mark in a season when they were moved - Liles has 3 40+ point seasons on resume. Not a single one had more than two 30+ points season - Liles has a career low of 31 points. Not a single one of them is a good comparable for Liles. THe best comparable that was dealt at the last trade deadline was Kaberle, and, well, we all know what he was moved for. What we'd be happy with is pretty much irrelevant. He's value, if he's on the market, is a 1st round pick or equivalent prospect. If anything, the "going rate" you bring up only serves to enforce that point even more.

 

[Madferret]

Wasn't the 2nd that was sent to Colorado for Liles Boston's? And he's in a contract year? To me it doesn't add up but if Burke can get a 1st for him all the power to him. The going rate for a pending UFA defenseman without a lot of playoff experience at the deadline last year was a late round second pick - if the positions were reversed I don't think many of you would be too happy if Burke traded away a 1st for him.

Like Flake said it is kind of a moot point to talk about trading him but I guess if someone is offering Burke a 1st for him he'd have to do his due diligence and at least entertain the idea.

None of the defencemen that were traded for 2nd round picks at the last deadline who weren't on the verge of retirement had a track record equivalent to what Liles has done. Not a single one had cracked the 40 point mark in a season when they were moved - Liles has 3 40+ point seasons on resume. Not a single one had more than two 30+ points season - Liles has a career low of 31 points. Not a single one of them is a good comparable for Liles. THe best comparable that was dealt at the last trade deadline was Kaberle, and, well, we all know what he was moved for. What we'd be happy with is pretty much irrelevant. He's value, if he's on the market, is a 1st round pick or equivalent prospect. If anything, the "going rate" you bring up only serves to enforce that point even more.

What we have here is a difference of opinion...however seeing as you probably watch Liles a lot more closely than I do I'll take your word on it. 

 

[bustaheims]

What we have here is a difference of opinion...however seeing as you probably watch Liles a lot more closely than I do I'll take your word on it. 

Well, there's that and there's the fact that your comparables really boil down to Eric Brewer, Chris Campoli, a struggling Ian White and a trade made by Garth Snow.

 

[groundskeeper willie]

Wasn't the 2nd that was sent to Colorado for Liles Boston's? And he's in a contract year? To me it doesn't add up but if Burke can get a 1st for him all the power to him. The going rate for a pending UFA defenseman without a lot of playoff experience at the deadline last year was a late round second pick - if the positions were reversed I don't think many of you would be too happy if Burke traded away a 1st for him.

Like Flake said it is kind of a moot point to talk about trading him but I guess if someone is offering Burke a 1st for him he'd have to do his due diligence and at least entertain the idea.

None of the defencemen that were traded for 2nd round picks at the last deadline who weren't on the verge of retirement had a track record equivalent to what Liles has done. Not a single one had cracked the 40 point mark in a season when they were moved - Liles has 3 40+ point seasons on resume. Not a single one had more than two 30+ points season - Liles has a career low of 31 points. Not a single one of them is a good comparable for Liles. THe best comparable that was dealt at the last trade deadline was Kaberle, and, well, we all know what he was moved for. What we'd be happy with is pretty much irrelevant. He's value, if he's on the market, is a 1st round pick or equivalent prospect. If anything, the "going rate" you bring up only serves to enforce that point even more.

I think the real question we need to be asking right now is why did Colorado trade him for a late 2nd last summer? He is clearly worth more than that based on his play so far this year.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think the real question we need to be asking right now is why did Colorado trade him for a late 2nd last summer? He is clearly worth more than that based on his play so far this year.

You can probably ask the 'why' question about all the trades the Avs have made recently.

 

[groundskeeper willie]

I think the real question we need to be asking right now is why did Colorado trade him for a late 2nd last summer? He is clearly worth more than that based on his play so far this year.

You can probably ask the 'why' question about all the trades the Avs have made recently.

So that makes an argument on Liles' value based on that trade moot then, right?

 

[bustaheims]

I think the real question we need to be asking right now is why did Colorado trade him for a late 2nd last summer? He is clearly worth more than that based on his play so far this year.

Part of it, I imagine, was about money, but, also, it was about a change in direction, what with their whole rebuilding/going younger thing. They were supposedly asking for a 1st round pick for him at the deadline last season, so, it's also possible that Burke just managed to talk them down.