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[Peter D.]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

There's another certain trade that I think really blew up in his face.

 

[Tigger]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

From the sounds of what Busta said, no I don't think so, in fact even the initial deal that I hated didn't turn out completely bad with Kessel. Right now I think signing Komi is probably the worst move of them all.

 

[maplesyrup]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

There's another certain trade that I think really blew up in his face.

Yeah (see my previous post.) If Getzlaf or Ryan is really available (and I'm not sure they are) then I do hope Burke remembers his reluctance with the Richards and pulls the trigger. - Guys like these don't come around often.

 

[Zee]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

From the sounds of what Busta said, no I don't think so, in fact even the initial deal that I hated didn't turn out completely bad with Kessel. Right now I think signing Komi is probably the worst move of them all.

Worst thing about the Komisarek deal is the NMC.  Why GMs continue to hand these things out to players that haven't even played 1 game for your team yet I have no idea.  Would be nice to just bury Komisarek in the minors right now but we can't move him.

 

[maplesyrup]

I actually dislike not doing the M. Richards deal more than the Komisarek deal and I HATE the Komisarek deal!

 

[Kin]

Oh yeah, right... Thinking his team was better than it was when he did the Kessel deal. Fair enough. Mike Richards #2 then?

It's hard to label something that didn't happen a blunder because we don't know the conditions of it. If the story we heard is true then Burke may never have really had the chance if Philly genuinely preferred the package from LA and you can't fault him for that. If the story isn't true then, for all we know, anything could be true. Holmgren may have never intended to deal either guy to Toronto and was just trying to set a price.

So, yeah, still a ways to go to touch the Kessel trade, Komisarek signing and the lack of a competitive offer to Brad Richards.

 

[maplesyrup]

Here's another thing I'm thinking about as I look towards next year... Assuming we resign Grabovski and Kulemin and retain MacArthur, we're looking at over a ~13 mil cap hit on these 3 for next year... Is anyone else kind of uncomfortable with that number?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

The fact that Komisarek is eating up so much salary cap is absolutely tragic, that money could be put to so much better use.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Here's another thing I'm thinking about as I look towards next year... Assuming we resign Grabovski and Kulemin and retain MacArthur, we're looking at over a ~13 mil cap hit on these 3 for next year... Is anyone else kind of uncomfortable with that number?

Nik Kulemin needs to get his arse in gear or that number is going to be significantly lower.

 

[maplesyrup]

Oh yeah, right... Thinking his team was better than it was when he did the Kessel deal. Fair enough. Mike Richards #2 then?

It's hard to label something that didn't happen a blunder because we don't know the conditions of it. If the story we heard is true then Burke may never have really had the chance if Philly genuinely preferred the package from LA and you can't fault him for that. If the story isn't true then, for all we know, anything could be true. Holmgren may have never intended to deal either guy to Toronto and was just trying to set a price.

So, yeah, still a ways to go to touch the Kessel trade, Komisarek signing and the lack of a competitive offer to Brad Richards.

Personally, I'm glad we stayed away from Brad Richards. Besides, I think he was signing with the Rangers regardless of what our offer was.

 

[Tigger]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

From the sounds of what Busta said, no I don't think so, in fact even the initial deal that I hated didn't turn out completely bad with Kessel. Right now I think signing Komi is probably the worst move of them all.

Worst thing about the Komisarek deal is the NMC.  Why GMs continue to hand these things out to players that haven't even played 1 game for your team yet I have no idea.  Would be nice to just bury Komisarek in the minors right now but we can't move him.

Yeah, it's the problem for sure.

It's easier to say in hindsight but free agents can ask for what they want and Burke obviously felt like defence had to be addressed. I still hold hope that he could be moved, fwiw, more realistically next year, still.

 

[Kin]

Here's another thing I'm thinking about as I look towards next year... Assuming we resign Grabovski and Kulemin and retain MacArthur, we're looking at over a ~13 mil cap hit on these 3 for next year... Is anyone else kind of uncomfortable with that number?

I'm no mathologist but that assumes Grabs/Kulemin get 10 million between them which, quite frankly, does not seem overly likely right now.

 

[maplesyrup]

Here's another thing I'm thinking about as I look towards next year... Assuming we resign Grabovski and Kulemin and retain MacArthur, we're looking at over a ~13 mil cap hit on these 3 for next year... Is anyone else kind of uncomfortable with that number?

I'm no mathologist but that assumes Grabs/Kulemin get 10 million between them which, quite frankly, does not seem overly likely right now.

~4.5 for Grabs? ~4 for Kulemin? + 3.25 (Mac) = ~12 (sorry bad math) Still, I don't much like that total for these three.  :-\ 

 

[bustaheims]

I'm no mathologist but that assumes Grabs/Kulemin get 10 million between them which, quite frankly, does not seem overly likely right now.

Yeah. Depending on contract length, we're likely looking at $2.75M-$3.25M for Kulemin (unless he really picks up the pace over the rest of the season) and ~$5M for Grabovski, putting the cap hit for the line at ~$11M, which, for is quite reasonable for a 2nd line if they find a production level somewhere between this season and last season.

Of course, all these numbers depend on what happens with the new CBA - they could be a lot lower because of a lower ceiling or a little higher because of a higher ceiling.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm no mathologist but that assumes Grabs/Kulemin get 10 million between them which, quite frankly, does not seem overly likely right now.

Yeah. Depending on contract length, we're likely looking at $2.75M-$3.25M for Kulemin (unless he really picks up the pace over the rest of the season) and ~$5M for Grabovski, putting the cap hit for the line at ~$11M, which, for is quite reasonable for a 2nd line if they find a production level somewhere between this season and last season.

Wow! We're about a mil. apart on what we think Kulemin might get... For the Leafs sake, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Kin]

~4.5 for Grabs? ~4 for Kulemin? + 3.25 (Mac) = ~12 (sorry bad math) Still, I don't much like that total for these three.  :-\

Right now Kulemin is on pace for a 9 goal, 32 point season. If he asks for and receives a four million dollar a year contract from Burke then we've got significantly bigger problems than what the second line is making.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Wow! We're about a mil. apart on what we think Kulemin might get... For the Leafs sake, I hope I'm wrong.

You think they would give him that amount based on current production?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

~4.5 for Grabs? ~4 for Kulemin? + 3.25 (Mac) = ~12 (sorry bad math) Still, I don't much like that total for these three.  :-\

Right now Kulemin is on pace for a 9 goal, 32 point season. If he asks for and receives a four million dollar a year contract from Burke and Burke gives it to him then we've got significantly bigger problems than what the second line is making.

Bingo!

 

[bustaheims]

Wow! We're about a mil. apart on what we think Kulemin might get... For the Leafs sake, I hope I'm wrong.

The problem with Kulemin is that his 30 goal season shoudl get him a raise, but, his lack of production this season will really counteract that significantly. $4M for a guy who has only cracked the 20 goal mark once and isn't a UFA? That just seems very unlikely. He's very much looking at a contract similar to MacArthur.

 

[Corn Flake]

Personally, I'm glad we stayed away from Brad Richards. Besides, I think he was signing with the Rangers regardless of what our offer was.

Agreed. That really ended up being about the most unsurprising location choice since Hamhuis went to Vancouver.  Any interest shown towards teams other than NYR was pretty obviously done to up the Rangers offer.