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BlueWhiteBlood said:
Corn Flake said:
Gardiner and Phaneuf are really the only two I would say without a doubt are here in September.  Everything else could change.  If Burke gets Schultz that could be the piece to kick off the mass-overhaul. It means the end of Franson for sure.  Holzer should be a lock for a 3rd pairing job next year which puts Komisarek on the outs and Schenn in competition. 

No matter what, that defense needs at least one veteran guy who can calm things down, no matter how many good young guys we have.  Assuming Komisarek isn't that guy (he isn't) then they have to replace him.  Bryan Allen is still my choice.

So Burke could have Schenn, Franson, Komi and Liles as surplus to trade if he can get Schultz and sign one veteran.  I'm going to assume Liles probably stays for now.

Gunarsson / Phaneuf
Gardiner / Veteran UFA
Liles/ Holzer

Schultz <--- I'm going to assume he starts with the Marlies, or steals a job at camp.
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Liles isn't going anywhere IMO. I think you have to include him in the top 4 either way for next season, Gunnarsson would probably go as a piece before Liles, but that's just the way I see things.

I don't think they need a veteran guy really, if they need a defenseman at all, we have the pieces. The only way I see some one moving is if 1) Komisarek incredibly looks decent to another GM, 2) we get Schultz and need to move one, or 3) We get a good deal for a forward we need and end up losing 1 or 2 defensemen in trade.
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I'm not sure Phaneuf/Liles is going to be enough of a veteran presence if playoffs are the goal.  A young defense as we have seen can get into trouble fast.  If Komisarek is still around he better not be expected to be an "A" again trying to lead. 

I still think another guy.. a grizzled vet even as low-end as a Sean O'Donnell.. is what we need.  Maybe Bryan Allen is more than what is required and a bottom end guy can come in and fill the #6 job, and be a #7 if the kids are stable enough.

I just have zero interest in going into next season without veteran insurance policies at every position wherever possible, especially on defense and in goal.
 
Corn Flake said:
I'm not sure Phaneuf/Liles is going to be enough of a veteran presence if playoffs are the goal.  A young defense as we have seen can get into trouble fast.  If Komisarek is still around he better not be expected to be an "A" again trying to lead. 

I still think another guy.. a grizzled vet even as low-end as a Sean O'Donnell.. is what we need.  Maybe Bryan Allen is more than what is required and a bottom end guy can come in and fill the #6 job, and be a #7 if the kids are stable enough.

I just have zero interest in going into next season without veteran insurance policies at every position wherever possible, especially on defense and in goal.
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Maybe so, but the kids have to be inserted at some time, if things look bad by the deadline, maybe pick up what you need then?

It should be interesting around this time in June.
 
Zee said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Bullfrog said:
Etiam Vultus said:
If Burke is able to pick up a first line centre, it may cost him Gunnarson.  Gunnarson showed that he is capable at playing top two minutes, at a very reasonable cap it.  He should be an attractive commodity for a lot of teams, and could be a key piece in a major trade.
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I like Gunnarsson, but if he gets us a first line centre, I'm sorry but "bye bye."
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I'll go as far as say Gunnarsson is our most reliable defanceman, but yeah he's definitely not untouchable if we're talking about a top centre. The only problem would be that nobody else from last seasons group is a good fit to play with Phaneuf. Holzer maybe if he's promoted, but it would be quite the risk to go into next season with an unproven rookie on the top pairing and no real back-up plan available. It's kind of like the Kaberle situation, if we move him we'll just have to find somebody else to replace him and odds are that player will come with a much higher cap-hit.
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I have the same reservations.  Gunnarson makes Phaneuf a better player cause he can cover for him quite effectively out there and let Dion take more chances.  They seem to have a nice chemistry between them, the Leafs would have to find someone else to play with Phaneuf if they shipped Gunnarson out.  If he's part of a package to bring back a legitimate top center then I think you have to do it, but it's a scary proposition not having him there to settle down the blueline.
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The fact that we have to consider the impact of a proposed trade on our supposed #1 defensemen tells you a lot about that defensemen's liabilities.  From a purely objective standpoint, Burke should be looking to deal Phaneuf, not Gunnarsson.  We need more low-risk dmen like him, not fewer.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
Corn Flake said:
I'm not sure Phaneuf/Liles is going to be enough of a veteran presence if playoffs are the goal.  A young defense as we have seen can get into trouble fast.  If Komisarek is still around he better not be expected to be an "A" again trying to lead. 

I still think another guy.. a grizzled vet even as low-end as a Sean O'Donnell.. is what we need.  Maybe Bryan Allen is more than what is required and a bottom end guy can come in and fill the #6 job, and be a #7 if the kids are stable enough.

I just have zero interest in going into next season without veteran insurance policies at every position wherever possible, especially on defense and in goal.
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Maybe so, but the kids have to be inserted at some time, if things look bad by the deadline, maybe pick up what you need then?

It should be interesting around this time in June.
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Yes they do have to be inserted and should be given the chance, and I think 3 of the 6 jobs will be "kids" for the taking, but more than 3 and you run a huge risk.  Funny but I include Schenn as a "kid" only because his job is in jeopardy if he starts the way he did last year... if he's still here.  Other kids can move up when jobs come up due to injury or poor performance.

Wait for the deadline?  It could be way too late by then as we witnessed this year. I would rather see one added for September and one more at the deadline as insurance if the Leafs are in the playoff hunt and need some depth.
 
Corn Flake said:
Wait for the deadline?  It could be way too late by then as we witnessed this year. I would rather see one added for September and one more at the deadline as insurance if the Leafs are in the playoff hunt and need some depth.
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But if we're talking Sean O'Donnell types, I think Burke can rustle up that kind of help on a need one basis, no?

If it's Bryan Allen or the like, maybe that might be a bit harder, but I think Burke is going to just subtract as needed. If he gets Schultz, he'll move one, if Schenn gets traded, he'll add one from the system.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
Corn Flake said:
Wait for the deadline?  It could be way too late by then as we witnessed this year. I would rather see one added for September and one more at the deadline as insurance if the Leafs are in the playoff hunt and need some depth.
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But if we're talking Sean O'Donnell types, I think Burke can rustle up that kind of help on a need one basis, no?

If it's Bryan Allen or the like, maybe that might be a bit harder, but I think Burke is going to just subtract as needed. If he gets Schultz, he'll move one, if Schenn gets traded, he'll add one from the system.
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But why not add the O'Donnell type player now on a cheap deal, let him be #7 to start the year if need be and go from there vs. trying to find one in November if things don't go well?  It also eliminates having your press box guy be a kid you want on the ice in the NHL or AHL.
 
Corn Flake said:
But why not add the O'Donnell type player now on a cheap deal, let him be #7 to start the year if need be and go from there vs. trying to find one in November if things don't go well?  It also eliminates having your press box guy be a kid you want on the ice in the NHL or AHL.
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Holzer doesn't get his chance. That's my only issue with that.
 
Rumours and speculations, but, the question here is:  Can the Leafs get Yakupov?

According to Luke Fox of Sportsnet, the agent for two of the top prospects in the upcoming NHL Draft -- Nail Yakupov and Alex Galchenyuk -- thinks the Leafs might make a move to acquire Yakupov.

That would almost certainly mean they'd have to move up to the No. 1 spot, currently occupied by Edmonton. The Oilers really need a defenseman more than anything else, but it would be tough to pass on Yakupov given his immense talent and almost unanimous status as the top player available. If they could deal out of that spot though, they might be able to turn the No. 1 pick into a quality defenseman and slightly lower -- but still high -- pick.

Just speculating now, but Toronto currently holds the No. 5 overall selection and it's quite possible that one of the top blue line prospects in the draft such as Mathew Dumba or Ryan Murray could still be available there if everything fell just right. And if that's the case, a swap might not be out of the question from Edmonton's perspective. Or perhaps defensmean Luke Schenn -- often mentioned in potential trade rumors involving the Leafs -- could be a piece in play here.


Source:  ESPN
 
Madferret said:
Schenn & your 1st rounder (5th) for Edmonton's 1st rounder (1st)?...a bit steep for the Leafs no?
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Nothing Burke does would surprise me.  Yes, even to (somehow) acquire Edmonton's first pick.  (I can just see Yakupov in a Leaf uniform)!  :)
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Madferret said:
Schenn & your 1st rounder (5th) for Edmonton's 1st rounder (1st)?...a bit steep for the Leafs no?
     
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Nothing Burke does would surprise me.  Yes, even to (somehow) acquire Edmonton's first pick.  (I can just see Yakupov in a Leaf uniform)!  :)
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Yeah he's a real wild card - I still think trading Schenn is a bad idea that would be regretted in the long run on top of  my well publicized trust issues with Russians.
Ontario.
 
The Leafs have had nothing but good luck with Russians though. I don't recall a significant issue involving one here. - I might be forgetting someone. Anyway, Schenn + 5 is something I'd do. Schenn can be replaced. Holzer, Schultz, another UFA?
 
SGT said:
The Leafs have had nothing but good luck with Russians though. I don't recall a significant issue involving one here. - I might be forgetting someone. Anyway, Schenn + 5 is something I'd do. Schenn can be replaced. Holzer, Schultz, another UFA?
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Why rush another kid like that? When did the Leafs sign Schultz? 
 
Holzer is NHL ready. His coach believes it and from what I've seen, so do I. Schultz? I can't give you any first hand opinion because I haven't seen him play but the feeling I'm getting is that he's ready too.
 
SGT said:
The Leafs have had nothing but good luck with Russians though. I don't recall a significant issue involving one here. - I might be forgetting someone. Anyway, Schenn + 5 is something I'd do. Schenn can be replaced. Holzer, Schultz, another UFA?
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Schenn and our first for Edms first is to high of a price. it wont cost that much. Schenn is better then anything Edm could pick ,and an NHL pro so a deal for him and a lwr pick is more like it. maybe we dump a high priced forward like Connely in the deal.
 
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